Subject: What does level 5 difficulty means?

Date: Fri Nov 1 19:27:19 2013
User: dinky
Message:
i want to play game #12839 over how do i do that

Date: Fri Nov 1 19:41:46 2013
User: The_Interpreter
Message:
Click on the box in the upper left corner of your play screen and find "Custom". Then, enter the information necessary and good luck.

Date: Fri Nov 1 19:43:55 2013
User: The_Interpreter
Message:
Sorry, after you click "Custom", click on "Play" and then enter the appropriate info.

Date: Fri Nov 1 20:29:01 2013
User: lotusblossom
Message:
Thank Goodness someone else brought up this issue!

Date: Fri Nov 1 20:32:00 2013
User: ix
Message:
re cubicsprocks comment on trolling: doesn't one need a slower motor to do that?

Date: Fri Nov 1 21:01:22 2013
User: joeygray
Message:
94% on 8x4 isn't that good, sorry to say. Means you bomb out your streak, on the average, in the teens. Frankly my 97-odd streak, which means I bomb out on the average in the low 40s, aint that good either.

Date: Fri Nov 1 22:41:19 2013
User: Snowguy
Message:
It's almost like it's the natural order of things. The moon circles the earth, el Nino causes weather disruptions, and income taxes are due in April. You expect all of them. And somebody asks about the relative "difficulty levels" on this site

Date: Fri Nov 1 22:49:08 2013
User: firenzes_mother
Message:
I gave Snowguy my panties.

Date: Sat Nov 2 00:27:21 2013
User: Rincon
Message:
HEY FOLKS, I've been playing since Denny first set up this magnificent version of the game. I think I have tried all combinations at all levels 5 through 12. (I never thought about 1-4) How do I rank them? Well, the ones I won on fist try were easy. The ones I had to replay a couple of times were very difficult.' The number of tries corresponds to my state of mind and tiredness of my eyes. If I win long streaks consistently, I get bored and move on to a greater challenge. I dabble in tournaments just to remind myself of the great variety Denny offers us, but when I play just for fun, my favourite is Slurppies 7x4@10,11 & 12 levels. I play almost daily, to fill my lonely evenings. I'm sending a great big sincere, grateful THANK YOU to Denny everytime I play.

Date: Sat Nov 2 00:38:15 2013
User: SophiaG
Message:
Denny, thanks for linking me to that page. I guess I was the first-time Gomer in this discussion thread, because I've been playing for years and years but never actually read that page of instructions. Now the comments make sense (at least th e ones that aren't just being silly). And to think that I was mcinsidering wading back in and arguing my point again! You've saved me the trouble and embarrassment. I'm still interested in finding a metric that scores the difficulty of a streak. Like a "streak stats" to go along with the game stats.

Date: Sat Nov 2 03:41:13 2013
User: Indianjo
Message:
Since the difficulty levels and percentage success ratios of each game is known, why not show these figures at the start of each game.

Date: Sat Nov 2 09:27:10 2013
User: TNmountainman
Message:
You do realize, don't you, SophiaG, that jimmyp had provided the exact same link 3 posts before your initial one?

Date: Sat Nov 2 09:30:24 2013
User: TNmountainman
Message:
And to Indianjo: Date: Mon Nov 26 11:57:35 2012 User: Denny Message: I respect and applaud all the discussion that has happened regarding difficulty levels. I've read with interest all the different proposed systems that might mitigate the unevenness of the games. Most work great for 8x4 but fall apart on tougher variants where often only level 5 games have been played and overall win rates are low. I'm afraid I'm not going to change. Here's why. I've already made the game easier with difficulty levels. I will never put training wheels on Freecell to keep you from hurting yourself. Level 5 makes thing statistically easier than regular Freecell already. I will not try to fudge things to avoid the anomalies. If you want easier, play as Anonymous where you get the Undo button or select Custom and go with level 1. Denny

Date: Sat Nov 2 09:54:14 2013
User: oneway
Message:
I've been playing only level 12 Random games and find my max streak is under 30. When I play standard I can get over 200 So... Maybe level 5-10 omits a type of game my brain cannot conquer

Date: Sat Nov 2 10:50:13 2013
User: FilthyMcNasty
Message:
I find a definite correlation between numerical ranking on the "10" scale and panties, and I certainly understand beginning at 5. A ranking of less than 5 is one who never removes their panties at all, so 1 through 4 are essentially all the same. A five is willing to remove their panties, but with little prompting. Generally, no challenge there. A 9 requires consider skill to conquer, but the end goal is achievable. A 10, like Mother, never wears panties at all. In my humble opinion, the person who initiated this thread has their panties all bunched up.

Date: Sat Nov 2 12:54:26 2013
User: horsec8z
Message:
"training wheels on Freecell" ROFL. Does this mean people take this game seriously??

Date: Sat Nov 2 22:45:14 2013
User: glidem
Message:
Frankly I don't care what difficulty of game is played at any level. I'd just like to see the historical win percentage posted along the top of the screen when you start the game, rather than when it's over.

Date: Sat Nov 2 23:03:22 2013
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Date: Mon Nov 26 11:57:35 2012 User: Denny Message: I respect and applaud all the discussion that has happened regarding difficulty levels. I've read with interest all the different proposed systems that might mitigate the unevenness of the games. Most work great for 8x4 but fall apart on tougher variants where often only level 5 games have been played and overall win rates are low. I'm afraid I'm not going to change. Here's why. I've already made the game easier with difficulty levels. I will never put training wheels on Freecell to keep you from hurting yourself. Level 5 makes thing statistically easier than regular Freecell already. I will not try to fudge things to avoid the anomalies. If you want easier, play as Anonymous where you get the Undo button or select Custom and go with level 1. Denny

Date: Sat Nov 2 23:42:35 2013
User: Anonymous-hyh
Message:
TN: "*My* newest theory is that either: a) the whole concept of different levels of games is merely a construct of Denny's designed to ferret out deep psychological issues in us players......*OR* b) the nick known as "andironjim" is a constuct of Denny's to do the same thing to the rest of us." Yes, yes. That's why we are at sixes and sevens. Enjoy the game.

Date: Sun Nov 3 01:34:33 2013
User: BuzzClik
Message:
I am a subscriber to the theory that andaronjim is a construct conceived by somebody who is playing with our brains. I don't think it is Denny because Denny spends a lot of time giving us mundane talking points to keep up busy and to prevent us from inventing new ways of irritating each other. andaronjim's motivations seem to be 180 degrees from Denny's.

Date: Sun Nov 3 02:12:19 2013
User: Anomaly
Message:
roo stated he was taking the mickey. "to take liberties at the expense of others, or to be unreasonable" I think this best describes it. He's taking the piss.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss

Date: Sun Nov 3 02:18:14 2013
User: smelly_cootiefied_fence_post
Message:
Without spelling it out (so as not to violate my pledge to joeygray), and using my well-known *nom de plume* as an additional layer of buffering, I (like joeygray) actually respectively disagree with CubicSprock's earlier posit in this thread. I.e.....no, it's not Denny. I was being facetious. And that, because the reality is mind-boggling, as my previous "absolutely stunning" in this thread, and other similar comments in other threads demonstrate. Breathtaking, really.

Date: Sun Nov 3 02:26:19 2013
User: smelly_cootiefied_fence_post
Message:
Further evidence, to doubters, has been seen in the guise of said person's minute board, which unfortunately jibes all too well with said person's persona hereon. Far too elaborate to be a put on ("taking the piss").

Date: Sun Nov 3 08:27:27 2013
User: The_Interpreter
Message:
I wonder who it could be?????

Date: Sun Nov 3 11:24:38 2013
User: Klepp
Message:
Statistics is often a social science.

Date: Sun Nov 3 11:45:23 2013
User: The_Interpreter
Message:
I would like to see some statistics on that, Klepp.

Date: Sun Nov 3 12:09:00 2013
User: SAB
Message:
I don't think "Often" is a statistical term.

Date: Mon Nov 4 04:57:21 2013
User: Klepp
Message:
It is often enough for some.

Date: Mon Nov 4 08:47:28 2013
User: Snowguy
Message:
It's a decimal term.

Date: Mon Nov 4 10:45:25 2013
User: SAB
Message:
Very good Snowy - took me a while to get it.

Date: Mon Nov 4 10:53:15 2013
User: Snowguy
Message:
Heh Heh.

Date: Mon Nov 4 13:04:25 2013
User: SAB
Message:
Going in to farming, Snowy?

Date: Mon Jan 7 11:39:35 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Because andaronjim isn't around (to kick?) anymore...…….. My assistant Mr.MUDstains just received these two games - consecutively: Game: 7x4 12835-5 Plays: 364 Wins: 7 Percentage: 1.92 Game: 7x4 10980-5 Plays: 247 Wins: 5 Percentage: 2.02

Date: Mon Jan 7 20:39:49 2019
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
And how did your assistant do?

Date: Mon Jan 7 22:35:24 2019
User: BuzzClik
Message:
LOL!!!

Date: Mon Jan 7 22:37:33 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Lost them both. But he said to tell you, in his defense, that he was multi-tasking big-time, was time-constrained, had no ongoing streak to worry about, and is not named "Dr.Bombay" nor "CubicSprock". Certainly.............after that first one, he did *not* expect another one from the same tribe immediately. So in lieu of andaronjim's persistent pleadings...........can someone consider moving those to climate 6? And more globally - did anybody ever figure out why level 5s are harder level of 6s? That deep mystery really needs to be solved.

Date: Tue Jan 8 13:12:52 2019
User: jimmyp
Message:
It's very simple. They aren't. Everyone plays Level 5s but only the better players play Level 6s during streaks since you have to have won 10 in a row to play them (moreso for Level 10). At some point, possibly by Level 6, the "bad" players have mostly been weeded out so you wouldn't expect to see % continue to drop.

Date: Tue Jan 8 14:30:01 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I, and we, all know that, jimmy. I was just poking the gorilla/bear/andaronjim again. It's been just a tad too long since someone started YET ANOTHER new thread about this topic.

Date: Tue Jan 8 14:46:01 2019
User: joeygray
Message:
Yes, Jimmy. It's especially evident in the 7x4, where so many of the level 5s have these really low win rates, but as soon as you get up to level 6 the rates are much more realistic. Because Denny 'featured' that variant as 7-11, way more novice players tried it out than you might expect.

Date: Sun Jan 20 12:44:25 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Another one for andaronjim to look into: 7x4 - 27686-5 Game stats: 243/6/2.47%

Date: Sun Jan 20 14:00:15 2019
User: FilthyMcNasty
Message:
I ran TN's game through the andaronjimrithm, and the actual difficulty level is, indeed, a 5. However, based on Mother's panties/no panties scale, it's definitely a 9 -- it was impossible while wearing panties, but still a massive challenge when I was wearing none.

Date: Sun Jan 20 16:45:18 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
While I now feel appropriately humbled by the game, I'm buoyed by the knowledge that he passed on to you his precious pseudo-mathematical alchemy before moving on to other pastures (Snowguy's P&R board?). But I'm left wondering why this information is just now coming out. Was some sort of translation necessary? Was some exotic concoction requiring eye of newt needed for processing power? Will we be treated to further expositions of the numerous (seemingly) 'inexplicable' questionable climate designations brought up heretofore on this board? Will Mr.Fixit's current upgrading process help, or hinder, these expositions? Do we know if andaronjim's work is as reliable as free@last's? I know that's a lot of questions, and surely you can't reveal *all* of andaronjim's secrets......but just thought I'd throw those "inquiring minds" things out there.

Date: Sun Jan 20 18:00:58 2019
User: Inquiring_Minds
Message:
I don't want to know.

Date: Mon Jan 28 04:56:00 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. "There is no darkness but ignorance." -- William Shakespeare 7x4 #27682-5 267/5/1.87% Wherefore are thou, O andaronjim?

Date: Mon Jan 28 07:33:31 2019
User: BuzzClik
Message:
But , brash, what darkness through yonder window breaks? It is the south, and andaronjim is the wall.

Date: Mon Jan 28 07:40:27 2019
User: Denny
Message:
Forsooth I've lost.

Date: Mon Jan 28 10:07:29 2019
User: outskirts
Message:
Wow. You hated him being around and now that he's gone you want him back?!? Sickness! You are sicker than he is!!!

Date: Mon Jan 28 11:04:09 2019
User: FilthyMcNasty
Message:
Remind you of anyone?

Date: Tue Jan 29 03:06:58 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
outskirts, methinks you've forgotten the gist of this thread. andaronjim sort of turned himself into a meme, and/or this thread into almost a meme. It truly became comical. Even to Denny (from page 1): "And yeah, this has come up so much that I think the topic is being treated with a mix of levity, resignation, and of course some first time gohlee gee whiz Gomer! Denny" ---------------- I think you should revisit the *degree* of his inability to comprehend demonstrated in this thread. "Breathtaking", as [someone] wrote way back then. And it still is upon any re-reading. "The easy(?) answer is "because this is the umpteenth time, and umpteenth thread, in which this topic has come up, and so it's really appropriate to have some fun with it." --------------- And here I was apparently predicting the future (with Denny's help): "See what I mean, jimmyp? Sometimes "facts" just seem to be of very limited utility, unfortunately. And that's just *one* of the many amazing things one can learn from this amazing site." ---------------- Dr.Ruth: "Yeah. We get what Andyjim is saying. But he says it all the time. Over and over. He's had every answer given him, over and over. And he keeps on asking." ------------------ Anonymous-hyh: ""*My* newest theory is that either: a) the whole concept of different levels of games is merely a construct of Denny's designed to ferret out deep psychological issues in us players......*OR* b) the nick known as "andironjim" is a constuct of Denny's to do the same thing to the rest of us."" --------------- outskirts, I'm *almost* beyond giving someone a truly hard time, even if they've well-earned it. I can think of only two people in my entire (real) life to whom I've eventually given no quarter in terms of ridicule, etc. They've just proven WAY beyond any doubt that they just invite it and seem to want more. andaronjim is equal to those, and thus (imo) has subjected himself to as much ridicule (in a funny way, not mean-spirited, altho I know that can be a fine line) as we can dish out. Remember, this thread wasn't his first pass at this. More likely about the fifth, or more. "Hard-headed" doesn't quite give the full spectrum. One might also wish to consider the comments by my friend smelly_cootified_fence_post from Nov. 3, 2013 above. He (andaronjim) clearly is one of the extremely rare humans I've encountered who deserves no mercy (again, in a humorous way). And yet there are those here who say they've met him in person, and he's not like that. I find that quite incomprehensible, but since I haven't met him, I obviously can't say it's not *somehow* possible. How one reacts when encountering someone of his ilk perhaps says more about one than one might be comfortable with; I don't know. But others seem to had/have the same reaction, or similar. I didn't hate "him" - only the depth of his ignorance, and inability, incapacity, and/or unwillingness to open his eyes and ears. To remind yet again: "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. "There is no darkness but ignorance." -- William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------ As an aside, I was reminded that it was myself, not FilthyMcNasty who coined "andaronjimrithm" earlier in this thread (over 5 years ago). Pat on the back to myself there, if I don't mind: ".....all of which just continues to show the brilliance of andaronjim as he probes the dark depths of freecell.net's faulty algorithms. Might I suggest a new appellation known as "andaronjimrithms", which would of course detail the 'correct' way to do things?" I believe my first point at the top is best - to think of him and his denseness as a meme.

Date: Tue Jan 29 03:45:02 2019
User: outskirts
Message:
Can't justify mean shit, period.