Subject: Never won winnables!

Date: Wed Aug 9 05:57:59 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Posting games that had never been won before is fine, imo. I win a lot of games that have never been played before (and therefore never won before), but I don't bother to post those. Having all winnable games won at least once is a goal that may never be achieved, imo.

Date: Wed Aug 9 19:09:23 2017
User: Ellie2
Message:
Wow, one of my best ever: Congratulations! You Win Game #: 12x0 17921 Game stats: 37/1/2.70% Difficulty: 5 Elapsed: 13:50 Streak: 8

Date: Thu Aug 10 06:13:05 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
"Having all winnable games won at least once is a goal that may never be achieved, imo."--but wasn't such pursued and (supposedly) achieved a few years ago in (initially) the 8X3? This primarily due to being before the offering of the winnable variants? I believe Longhorn spearheaded the job, and I believe I may have offered aid, possibly solutions.

Date: Thu Aug 10 06:42:46 2017
User: DebbyJ
Message:
Nearly half of 8x3, level 10, games have never been played -- presumably more than half of those are winnable!? There are still thousands of winnable games that have never been won, imo!!

Date: Thu Aug 10 07:36:11 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
Now that I recall a bit, they may have never gotten past levels 5 and 6...

Date: Thu Aug 10 08:41:00 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Thanks, DebbyJ, that's just what I would have said, near enough! Someplace, I think free@last has posted a (partial?) list of unwinnable games!? Maybe at "the Hotel"? But I don't remember how to get to "the Hotel" (lol).

Date: Thu Aug 10 11:08:17 2017
User: TNmountainman
Message:
There have been a few such "projects" in the past. My memory is vague on them, but the 8x3 issue Klepp is referring to I believe was only climate 5. And I have no idea if such project was completed. I think not, likely. Also, I post non-hyperlinks to other such quests for those interested... 6x6-5: http://www.freecell.net/f/c/disctopic.html?code=60&replies=47 10x0-5: http://www.freecell.net/f/c/disctopic.html?code=2184&replies=10 10x1-8: (with much work done by our previous-to-Tony statistician, the late "Groucho", and of course, the 10x1 king mrbob): http://www.freecell.net/f/c/disctopic.html?code=1033&replies=0 http://www.freecell.net/f/c/disctopic.html?code=1011&replies=30 10x1-9: (with again much work done by our previous-to-Tony statistician, the late "Groucho", and of course, the 10x1 king mrbob): http://www.freecell.net/f/c/disctopic.html?code=1060&replies=10 10x1-10: http://www.freecell.net/f/c/disctopic.html?code=2009&replies=7 (don't know if that's the 'final' report or not on that one) 12x1-10: http://www.freecell.net/f/c/disctopic.html?code=7949&replies=9 There are likely others, but I'm not gonna do an exhaustive search. It might be interesting to compare that earlier data on the 10x1s and 12x1s to the now-known database provided by free@last for the winnables of those variants.

Date: Fri Aug 18 13:16:47 2017
User: Ellie2
Message:
This one was too difficult for me! Game: 4x10, 13347-5 Plays: 6 Wins: 0 Percentage: 0.00

Date: Mon Aug 21 16:20:49 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
Previously unbeaten game of exceedingly average difficulty.

Link: 10022, 8X3-10

Date: Mon Aug 21 19:02:24 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
18171-10 8X3 beat me. Now 0/1. Have at it if you'd like to be first to beat it, but be warned: it has a winning % of 62 as an 8X4. I may try later if no one else bothers.

Link: Winnable 8X3

Date: Mon Aug 21 19:56:43 2017
User: ix
Message:
two tries, well beyond my pay grade

Date: Mon Aug 21 20:25:56 2017
User: CubicSprock
Message:
Game #: 8x3 18171 Game stats: 4/1/25.00% Difficulty: 10 Elapsed: 6:44 Streak: n/a Today: n/a

Date: Tue Aug 22 23:21:43 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
9182-7 9X2 8/1 Didn't seem difficult, though.

Link: 9182-7, 9X2

Date: Thu Aug 24 13:12:45 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Gee, two in a row: Recent History of Play Date Time Game Mode Elapsed Won/Lost 8/24 1:08 pm 5x7 25774-5 Streak 12:23 Won 8/24 12:55 am 5x7 28032-5 Streak 13:13 Won Game: 5x7 25774-5 Plays: 4,..... Wins: 1,..... Percentage: 25.00 Game: 5x7 28032-5 Plays: 3,..... Wins: 1,..... Percentage: 33.33

Date: Thu Aug 24 14:22:49 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Gee, now it is 3 in a row: Recent History of Play Date , ... Time, ............. Game, .............. Mode, ..... Elapsed, ... Won/Lost 8/24, ... 2:12 pm, ..... 5x7 26828-5, ... Streak, ....... 5:53, ........... Won 8/24, ... 1:08 pm, ..... 5x7 25774-5, ... Streak, ...... 12:23, .......... Won 8/24, ... 12:55 am, ... 5x7 28032-5, ... Streak, ...... 13:13, .......... Won Game: 5x7 26828-5 Plays: 3,..... Wins: 1,.....Percentage: 33.33

Date: Sat Sep 16 21:27:57 2017
User: Mastermind
Message:
Freakout of 16/9/17. #6x5 9 11121 73/1 1.37% Extremely tricky.

Date: Tue Sep 19 15:29:54 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
I win "never won" games almost every day (most of them never played), but this was a tough one, imo: 90 moves (309 card moves)! Congratulations! You Win, .... Game #: 5x7 16587/5, .... Game stats: 4/1/25.00%.

Date: Sat Sep 23 05:19:20 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Sorry You Lose,... Game #: 14400 Game stats: 1/0/0.00% Difficulty: 10,...Elapsed: 6:29,... Streak was: 60. This game ended my w4x10 streak at 60! ... Would anyone like to tell me how it can be won???

Date: Sat Sep 23 06:05:26 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Now I don't feel quite so bad -- another toughie bites the dust: Congratulations! You Win,... Game #: 4x10 18820/5,... Game stats: 6/1/16.67%.

Date: Wed Nov 8 12:34:48 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
.bump I started this thread back in January 2016, and it is for ALL winable games, NOT just the 10 winnable variants!!! Here is an example from 9 August 2017 posted above: Congratulations! You Win Game #: 12x0 17921 Game stats: 37/1/2.70% Difficulty: 5 Elapsed: 13:50 Admittedly, the main idea was to encourage one of the better players to play any game that was known to be winnable, but had still never been won.

Date: Tue Dec 12 13:28:29 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Yesterday, I got dealt game w6x5, 28152/10, which ended my streak at 67! I wonder if anyone is willing to tell me how this game can be won?? Thanks in advance... A few games later, I got this one, which I won on my 2nd try: Congratulations! You Win, Game #: 6x5 28110/5, Game stats: 17/1/5.88%.

Date: Tue Dec 12 22:22:51 2017
User: Mastermind
Message:
w6x5 28152/10 is pretty complicated and move wise solution is something I am not going to bother with. You will have to somehow send clubs cards upto 7 home.(System itself takes care of sending a few cards home).Do not disturb the red 7s column initially.Good luck.

Date: Wed Dec 13 19:57:39 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
8X3 30480-9 Not easy.

Date: Thu Dec 14 11:13:07 2017
User: The_Longhorn
Message:
<<<Having all winnable games won at least once is a goal that may never be achieved, imo.>>> ):o I assume you won't be participating in any of my "projects". But then, you probably don't share my compulsion to complete sets. I'm guessing that, unlike me, you've never solved all 32000 of the original Microsoft® deals (with the exception of 11982), nor have you been to every county (or parish) in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and New Mexico. So I understand where you're coming from. In the meantime, I find that completing a set is a satisfying way to enjoy Free Cell, when I don't have the time to mount a serious challenge to the 8x3 Streak of the Day. And it gives other interested parties a bit of a challenge. ):o By the way, I appreciate ix for posting the link to the unsolved deals in the 8x3 Level 7 project. That is coming in handy. ):o Moo.

Date: Thu Dec 14 12:47:46 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
32,000 is a (rather) tenably finite database vis-à-vis solve-ability (via supercomputer or scads of clever solver's (failed or no) attempts).

Date: Thu Dec 14 18:12:24 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
8X3 22836-10 Not easy.

Date: Sat Dec 16 11:43:27 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
8X3 24996-10 First of 14, though not too difficult.

Date: Sat Dec 16 12:07:59 2017
User: Klepp
Message:
8X3 11887-10 Not difficult.

Date: Sat Dec 16 13:45:05 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
This one was a little complicated: Congratulations! You Win Game #: 6x5 24858/7,..... Game stats: 5/1/20.00%.

Date: Wed Dec 20 09:58:18 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Damn! Sorry You Lose Game #: 7955 Game stats: 21/0/0.00% Difficulty: 5 Elapsed: 6:36 Streak was: 5

Date: Wed Dec 20 14:06:16 2017
User: free@last
Message:
Took me several tries, pretty brutal: Game #: 6x5 23486 Game stats: 19/1/5.26% Difficulty: 5

Date: Sat Dec 30 18:57:30 2017
User: ElGuapo
Message:
Congratulations! You Win Game #: 9x2 32587 Game stats: 34/1/2.94% Difficulty: 7 Elapsed: 3:07 Streak: 28

Date: Sun Dec 31 03:44:38 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Congratulations to free@last, and ElGuapo -- well done!! Btw, that game I reported above, on Wed Dec 20 09:58:18 2017, 7955/5, 21/0/0.00%, was a w6x5. It is now 0/29!

Date: Sun Dec 31 12:00:24 2017
User: ElGuapo
Message:
I'm not finding a way through that 6×5, Tony. The most promising line seems to be clearing column 3 completely.

Date: Sun Dec 31 14:20:13 2017
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
71-1 That's a fun game. Twelfth time was a charm. Tried a few times leaving the AS in place thinking that it might be a tease but then dropped that theory. I tried ElGuapo's approach next for a few shots but did not like where it left things so then gave that up. After a few more dead-ends I tried a WRAC maneuver (or maybe it was ElGuapo that first mentioned it at the hotel long ago) by putting up one of the red fours, made a Kaos-style leap of faith a few times, then a CS move was needed to keep things going.

Date: Sun Dec 31 14:35:29 2017
User: ElGuapo
Message:
Nicely done!

Date: Sun Dec 31 18:43:22 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Hey, Dr B. Congratulations, well done!!!!!!!!!! I guess THAT explains why I didn't get it! Now I don't feel so bad! And, Happy New Year!!

Date: Sat Jan 13 10:27:49 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game w6x5, 11956/7 was a real toughy, now 0/1. It ended my current w6x5 streak at 24, grrr!

Date: Sun Jan 14 04:53:00 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Wow, I thought that this was one of my easiest w6x5 games ever!!??? Congratulations! You Win,... Game #: 6x5 18068,... Game stats: 6/1/16.67%,... Difficulty: 5,... Elapsed: 3:23,... Streak: 10,... Today: 1.

Date: Sun Jan 14 04:59:06 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Byw, somebody got the above game I mentioned yesterday, w6x5, 11956/7, but not easily. I checked yesterday and it was 0/6. Now it is now 1/17 = 5.88%! Congratulations to whoever got it!!!

Date: Sat Jan 20 07:52:16 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Here is another one that I couldn't solve: Sorry You Lose Game #: 19459,..... Game stats: 5/0/0.00%,..... Difficulty: 6,..... Elapsed: 5:55,..... Streak was: 15

Date: Sat Jan 20 07:53:40 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Here is another w6x5 game that I couldn't solve: Sorry You Lose Game #: 19459,..... Game stats: 5/0/0.00%,..... Difficulty: 6,..... Elapsed: 5:55,..... Streak was: 15

Date: Sat Jan 20 16:29:41 2018
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
Just one try needed. Now 6-1. Clear the column right at the start and proceed carefully after that.

Date: Sat Jan 20 16:56:37 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Congratulations, well done! Uh, clear which column right at the start? I tried Column 2, but probably failed to "proceed carefully".

Date: Sat Jan 20 18:05:38 2018
User: Turpin827
Message:
I don't see the solution

Date: Sat Jan 20 23:00:38 2018
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
Release the AS then clear column 3.

Date: Wed Jan 24 15:07:29 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
This one was interesting. Didn't seem *that* hard to me. Was shocked to see it was previously unwon: 11x1 5325-7. Now 1/6.

Date: Wed Jan 24 16:01:32 2018
User: jamesblackburn-lynch
Message:
I agree. That was pretty basic. Maybe all five plays were by one person just messenger around?

Date: Wed Jan 31 16:58:52 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Wow, another unwon game bites the dust!! Congratulations! You Win,... Game #: 10x1 28866/9,... Game stats: 25/1/4.00%,... Streak: 45.

Date: Wed Jan 31 17:00:31 2018
User: Kaos
Message:
Game #: 6x4 31275 Game stats: 38/1/2.63% Difficulty 5 of course