Subject: 12-sum streak rankings
Date: Wed Mar 15 02:44:16 2017
User: joeygray
Message:This is a list of all players who have current streaks in a least 4 of the 9 12-sum variants. The score is calculated as the product of log-to-the-base-2 (streakLen+1) for the streak columns, and a 'penalty' multiplier of 0.5 for the blank columns. (The actual log value is, of course, zero but that would be a dull scoreboard with everyone at zero unless you have all 9 variants covered.) I consider log( ) an even better adjustment function than sqrt( ), which is what free_at_last used in his multiplier ratings, since it rewards even more the spreading of efforts among as many streaks as possible.
| 4x8 | 5x7 | 6x6 | 7x5 | 8x4 | 9x3 | 10x2 | 11x1 | 12x0 | count | Score | As of 3/15/2017 2:30:06 AM
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| === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | | |
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| | 6 | 44 | 73 | 46 | 79 | 456 | 64 | 36 | 8 | 465970.79 | Goosey_Goosey_Gander
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| | | 3 | 41 | 133 | 96 | 61 | 26 | 13 | 7 | 13553.44 | joeygray
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| | | 43 | 33 | | | | 148 | 3 | 4 | 12.53 | gilbert10021
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| | | | 4 | 190 | 11 | 10 | | | 4 | 6.82 | Punster
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| | | | | | 33 | 40 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 5.55 | jsj41
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| | | 43 | 4 | | | | 17 | 8 | 4 | 5.24 | gilbertgame27171
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| | | | | 4 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 2.89 | larwul
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| | | | 3 | 1 | | 31 | 7 | | 4 | 0.94 | ListeningtoGod
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Date: Wed Mar 15 08:28:12 2017
User: bozkurt
Message:Instead of penalty multiplier how about this?
product of log-to-the-base-2 (streakLen+2) (empty columns make x1)
So for example now we would have:
G_G_G: 1024705.74
joegray: 66212.42
...
ListeningtoGod: 58.85
Date: Wed Mar 15 16:35:46 2017
User: joeygray
Message:But... the intent here is to promote an overall 12sum leadership, and so the penalties for completely skipping some of the variants thereof are intentional. I did try a log (streak plus 1.5) last week when I wrote the vba code, maybe I'll move back to that.
I will run it again tonight around midnight and see if it has caught some people's interest. If folks are interested it's easy enough to run it often.
I'm thinking about how the middle variants - 8x4, 9x3, 10x2 - are intrinsically easier than the outer ones and how to reflect that in the metric. Ideas?
Date: Thu Mar 16 00:08:57 2017
User: joeygray
Message:| 4x8 | 5x7 | 6x6 | 7x5 | 8x4 | 9x3 | 10x2 | 11x1 | 12x0 | count | Score | As of 3/15/2017 11:58:42 PM
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| === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | | |
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| 1 | 2 | 5 | 41 | 134 | 96 | 61 | 26 | 13 | 9 | 111227.33 | joeygray
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| | 6 | 44 | 74 | 51 | 79 | | 64 | 36 | 7 | 27144.34 | Goosey_Goosey_Gander
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| 1 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 15 | 5 | 40 | 5 | 3 | 9 | 4894.53 | bozkurt
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| | | 43 | 33 | | | | 148 | 3 | 4 | 12.53 | gilbert10021
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| | | | | | 34 | 42 | 11 | 6 | 4 | 8.75 | jsj41
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| | | | 4 | 190 | 11 | 10 | | | 4 | 6.82 | Punster
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| | | 43 | 4 | | | | 17 | 8 | 4 | 5.24 | gilbertgame27171
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| | | | | 5 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 3.22 | larwul
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| | | | 3 | 2 | | 31 | 7 | | 4 | 1.49 | ListeningtoGod
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(GGG fell off the 10x2 page by not playing it for 14 days. I trust he will be back at the top of this list soon.)
Date: Thu Mar 16 00:15:26 2017
User: joeygray
Message:By the way, here's the 11-sum table.
| 4x7 | 5x6 | 6x5 | 7x4 | 8x3 | 9x2 | 10x1 | 11x0 | count | Score | As of 3/16/2017 12:13:22 AM
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| === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | | |
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| | | 21 | 17 | 30 | 37 | 37 | 9 | 6 | 2107.11 | gilbert10021
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| | | 8 | 22 | 25 | 88 | 18 | 4 | 6 | 1076.27 | Goosey_Goosey_Gander
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| | | 3 | | 30 | | 37 | 4 | 4 | 7.55 | gilbertgame27171
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| | 3 | 2 | | 3 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 6 | 3.98 | joeygray
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| | | 9 | 1 | 1 | 12 | | | 4 | 0.77 | Darkosi
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Date: Thu Mar 16 04:28:06 2017
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:Why drop a player off after 14 days? Shouldn't it be 15? Today is the day I drop off the 10x2 rankings and I will play a game. Hope I don't blow it.
Date: Thu Mar 16 09:29:41 2017
User: joeygray
Message:Yeah, I don't really know exactly what Denny's drop scheme is. I just know you happened to be off the current list at midnight last night when I ran it. Unfair!
Date: Thu Mar 16 09:46:09 2017
User: joeygray
Message:I see by looking at the 4x8 all-time list that you have a streak there some three years old. Maybe if one day you feel lucky... (well, do ya punk?) (I can sure understand not wanting to mess with it though.)
Date: Thu Mar 16 15:35:31 2017
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:joeygray, yes, if midnight is the cutoff time, my 10x2 would have been cut off last night at that time. I keep a log in an excel spreadsheet so I know what is coming up but it sometimes seems to be a day off.
Re 4x8, I stopped playing it because my win % was so low - 41.46%, and somewhere I found that the winnable % should only be 38%. I'll have a shot at it sometime if you're giving prize money!
Generally, I play a total of 31 variants that have a win % of at least 70% but that require some thought, that have some chance of getting in the leading group without playing 10 hours a day for the next 20 years! That's all the winnables, all the sum 12's and 11's except 4x7 and 4x8, plus some 6x, 5x and 4x. Frankly, that's too many, it's hard to keep up. Big time waster.
Date: Fri Mar 17 00:15:35 2017
User: joeygray
Message:| 4x8 | 5x7 | 6x6 | 7x5 | 8x4 | 9x3 | 10x2 | 11x1 | 12x0 | count | Score | As of 3/17/2017 12:10:39 AM
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| === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | | |
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| 5 | 6 | 44 | 74 | 56 | 79 | 457 | 64 | 36 | 9 | 2,538,528.76 | Goosey_Goosey_Gander
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| 1 | 6 | 11 | 41 | 134 | 96 | 61 | 26 | 13 | 9 | 273,224.87 | joeygray
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| 2 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 30 | 5 | 40 | 5 | 3 | 9 | 17,308.05 | bozkurt
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| | | | 4 | 190 | 11 | 10 | 53 | 6 | 6 | 440.66 | Punster
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| | | | | | 34 | 42 | 11 | 6 | 4 | 8.75 | jsj41
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| | | | 4 | 3 | 2 | 32 | 8 | | 5 | 7.36 | ListeningtoGod
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| | | 6 | 33 | | | | 148 | 3 | 4 | 6.44 | gilbert10021
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| | | 45 | 5 | | | | 18 | 9 | 4 | 6.3 | gilbertgame27171
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| | | | | 5 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 3.22 | larwul
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Awesome, man. You were just short of a million without the 4x8, but it blasted you over 2 million!
Date: Fri Mar 17 00:56:37 2017
User: MikeC
Message:Explane to a drunkin mind how one would enrole in this compitation .....
Date: Fri Mar 17 09:02:06 2017
User: joeygray
Message:Heh. Alls ya do is get a winnin streak in bout half the 12-sum varmints at the same time. Then yall bang! show up on the list.
Actually my spreadsheet goes all the way down to 2 or more variants, but it's too many names and too low of scores to bother posting.
Date: Fri Mar 17 23:50:32 2017
User: joeygray
Message:The list is getting longer! .grin
| 4x8 | 5x7 | 6x6 | 7x5 | 8x4 | 9x3 | 10x2 | 11x1 | 12x0 | count | Score | As of 3/17/2017 11:46:29 PM
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| === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | | |
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| 5 | 6 | 44 | 74 | 60 | 79 | 457 | 64 | 36 | 9 | 2581112.83 | Goosey_Goosey_Gander
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| 2 | 3 | 15 | 42 | 136 | 97 | 61 | 26 | 13 | 9 | 348213.4 | joeygray
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| 2 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 50 | 20 | 45 | 5 | 5 | 9 | 44870.44 | bozkurt
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| 1 | 3 | 3 | 7 | 17 | 7 | 11 | 9 | 4 | 9 | 4151.02 | jimmyp
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| | | | 5 | 191 | 12 | 11 | 53 | 6 | 6 | 525.28 | Punster
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| | | | | | 34 | 42 | 11 | 6 | 4 | 8.75 | jsj41
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| | | | 4 | 3 | 2 | 32 | 8 | | 5 | 7.36 | ListeningtoGod
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| | | 45 | 5 | | | | 18 | 9 | 4 | 6.3 | gilbertgame27171
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| | | | | 5 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 3.22 | larwul
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| | | 2 | 33 | | | | 148 | 2 | 4 | 2.88 | gilbert10021
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Date: Sat Mar 18 17:45:45 2017
User: Lindyhopper_Agame
Message:In a 4x8 game the cards are so deep that I can't see what suit the Aces are. Is there a way to find out?
Date: Sat Mar 18 18:57:30 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:If click the value of the card below each Ace, at the bottom of the screen, those cards will flash, briefly revealing the Ace. Good Luck!
Date: Sat Mar 18 23:59:18 2017
User: joeygray
Message:| | 4x8 | 5x7 | 6x6 | 7x5 | 8x4 | 9x3 | 10x2 | 11x1 | 12x0 | count | Score | As of 3/18/2017 11:57:21 PM
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| == | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | | |
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| 1 | 5 | 6 | 44 | 74 | 60 | 79 | 457 | 64 | 36 | 9 | 2,581,113 | Goosey_Goosey_Gander
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| 2 | 2 | 4 | 17 | 43 | 136 | 97 | 61 | 26 | 2 | 9 | 176,512 | joeygray
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| 3 | 2 | 7 | 10 | 15 | 70 | 25 | 50 | 10 | 6 | 9 | 104,778 | bozkurt
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| 4 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 10 | 17 | 12 | 11 | 9 | 4 | 9 | 4,679 | jimmyp
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| 5 | | | | 5 | 191 | 12 | 11 | 53 | 6 | 6 | 525.28 | Punster
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| 6 | | | | 6 | 6 | 4 | 34 | 10 | | 5 | 20.29 | ListeningtoGod
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| 7 | | | | | | 34 | 42 | 11 | 6 | 4 | 8.75 | jsj41
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| 8 | | | 45 | 5 | | | | 18 | 9 | 4 | 6.30 | gilbertgame27171
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| 9 | | | | | 6 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 3.50 | larwul
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| 10 | | | 2 | 33 | | | | 148 | 2 | 4 | 2.88 | gilbert10021
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| 11 | | 1 | 1 | 1 | 30 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 8 | 2.48 | Lindyhopper_Agame
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Date: Sun Mar 19 10:03:26 2017
User: Lindyhopper_Agame
Message:Thanks.
I see the card flash all the time, IDK why I didn't think of that.
I still lost :(
I had forgotten how many of those 4x8 and 4x7 games are unwinnable.
Date: Mon Mar 20 00:06:51 2017
User: joeygray
Message:This probably the last nightly update. I'm thinking every 5 days (calendar days ending in 0 or 5) starting tomorrow, but does anybody else want a different frequency?
| | 4x8 | 5x7 | 6x6 | 7x5 | 8x4 | 9x3 | 10x2 | 11x1 | 12x0 | count | Score | As of 3/20/2017 12:01:41 AM
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| == | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | === | | |
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| 1 | 5 | 6 | 44 | 74 | 60 | 79 | 457 | 64 | 36 | 9 | 2,581,113 | Goosey_Goosey_Gander
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| 2 | 2 | 4 | 12 | 44 | 137 | 98 | 62 | 28 | 3 | 9 | 204,682 | joeygray
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| 3 | 2 | 7 | 11 | 16 | 85 | 35 | 50 | 11 | 7 | 9 | 141,220 | bozkurt
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| 4 | 1 | 5 | 9 | 10 | 17 | 12 | 18 | 11 | 4 | 9 | 16,208 | jimmyp
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| 5 | | | | 5 | 191 | 12 | 11 | 53 | 6 | 6 | 525.28 | Punster
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| 6 | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 35 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 8 | 41.17 | Lindyhopper_Agame
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| 7 | | | | 7 | 7 | 4 | 35 | 12 | | 5 | 24.99 | ListeningtoGod
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| 8 | | | | 20 | | 212 | 28 | | 8 | 4 | 16.35 | Kaos
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| 9 | | | | | | 34 | 42 | 11 | 6 | 4 | 8.75 | jsj41
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| 10 | | | 45 | 5 | | | | 18 | 9 | 4 | 6.30 | gilbertgame27171
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| 11 | | | | | 8 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 3.95 | larwul
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| 12 | | | 2 | 33 | | | | 148 | 2 | 4 | 2.88 | gilbert10021
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Date: Mon Mar 20 02:45:02 2017
User: bozkurt
Message:Once a week?
I have given some thought to penalty multipliers.
multiplying by 0.5 is equal to log2(sqrt(2)) that's about log2(1.414).
product of log-to-the-base-2 (streakLen+1.5) is worth thinking about.
so now an empty column makes 0.585 multiplier.
and winning one game makes 1,322 multiplier instead of 1.585.
How about that?
Date: Mon Apr 17 22:59:13 2017
User: ix
Message:is the current formula product of log₂(streakLen+1) for streak columns and .5 for empty ones?
(not sure if the subscript of 2 will print out correctly, i just had to try it though)
thanks for doing this joey, i think its going to be very popular!
Date: Tue Apr 18 04:36:37 2017
User: ix
Message:never mind, i see in another thread its now the product of log₂(streakLen+2) for all columns.
Date: Tue Apr 18 08:09:00 2017
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:Again, I don't think there should be any penalty for an empty column. Let there be a reward for even a streak of 1 but no penalty for zero's. Not playing a variant, or being a day or two late keeping a streak current shouldn't take away from good streaks in other variants. I don't see any logic to that.
Date: Tue Apr 18 09:30:54 2017
User: joeygray
Message:Yep. We agreed, and changed it to log(streaklen+2) as of April 10th, which means any zero columns get a 1 multiplier. Dang these old threads! Lemme post this to the two ongoing threads which my autoposter is updating, which I guess I should have done in the first place.
Date: Tue Apr 18 18:16:24 2017
User: Lindyhopper_Agame
Message:In English instead of math, this formula rewards breadth over depth.
Having a streak of (3 in each of the 9) "12 sum" games will give you roughly the same score as having (4 streaks of 100 and 5 streaks of 0). Not running into an unwinnable 4x8 game is one key to a a higher score.
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