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Subject: 12 sum streak rankings


Date: Thu Mar 23 23:19:48 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
I've automated, so this will get reposted twice a week unless my pc goes down.

4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 3/23/2017 11:01:51 PM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 5 44 74 60 79 457 64 36 8 459,705 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
2 2 8 13 46 142 99 63 29 6 9 417,757 joeygray
3 3 7 15 20 172 55 55 15 9 9 351,213 bozkurt
4 1 9 10 13 17 13 19 12 5 9 28,718 jimmyp
5 25 50 45 15 35 15 6 1,523 Mastermind
6 5 191 12 11 54 6 6 527.69 Punster
7 1 3 3 50 5 4 4 5 8 408.70 Lindyhopper_Agame
8 1 2 3 4 17 7 7 1 1 9 276.23 ElGuapo
9 24 228 10 6 8 5 70.05 Kaos
10 115 440 20 50 4 46.91 T1-T3
11 11 13 6 2 4 4 6 40.93 ListeningtoGod
12 2 45 5 18 9 5 19.96 gilbertgame27171
13 37 45 15 3 4 7.25 jsj41
14 3 4 5 9 4 1.25 larwul
15 11 88 2 1 4 1.15 d164280

Date: Mon Mar 27 11:00:26 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 3/27/2017 11:01:47 AM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 5 7 9 74 75 80 457 65 37 9 1,782,133 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
2 4 10 16 20 55 55 55 20 10 9 429,175 bozkurt
3 3 9 15 12 20 99 63 29 7 9 253,470 joeygray
4 5 5 22 22 22 32 17 22 9 9 195,505 Zonny
5 3 10 12 35 80 70 15 10 5 9 184,598 Mastermind
6 1 9 11 14 17 14 20 12 5 9 31,847 jimmyp
7 8 28 24 234 28 18 14 7 11,353 Kaos
8 2 7 19 62 17 7 7 1 1 9 4,610 ElGuapo
9 1 4 5 75 7 6 7 6 8 1,330 Lindyhopper_Agame
10 6 192 13 12 54 7 6 651.05 Punster
11 115 441 25 52 4 50.71 T1-T3
12 14 1 8 6 9 9 6 47.96 ListeningtoGod
13 2 45 5 18 9 5 19.96 gilbertgame27171
14 1 38 47 18 4 5 18.20 jsj41
15 11 88 2 1 4 1.15 d164280

Date: Thu Mar 30 23:00:56 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 3/30/2017 11:01:46 PM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 4 10 30 35 125 70 65 35 12 9 1,020,810 bozkurt
2 3 5 15 31 90 40 75 40 20 9 530,042 Mastermind
3 2 6 22 33 33 33 33 33 11 9 245,917 Zonny
4 2 14 5 14 27 100 66 30 10 9 208,107 joeygray
5 1 8 28 28 234 28 18 14 8 23,754 Kaos
6 1 9 12 14 5 14 15 12 5 9 18,558 jimmyp
7 7 7 75 90 80 65 37 7 18,398 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
8 1 2 4 6 89 10 7 7 7 9 6,265 Lindyhopper_Agame
9 3 10 20 14 17 7 7 1 1 9 4,456 ElGuapo
10 1 2 2 2 15 6 11 6 4 9 1,045 FairyGrandma
11 6 192 13 12 54 7 6 651.05 Punster
12 2 45 5 10 20 9 6 142.79 gilbertgame27171
13 17 5 11 10 15 2 6 105.94 ListeningtoGod
14 116 442 40 52 4 57.92 T1-T3
15 18 43 52 23 1 5 38.07 jsj41
16 4 34 149 3 4 5.38 gilbert10021
17 11 88 2 1 4 1.15 d164280

Date: Mon Apr 3 10:59:49 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 4/3/2017 11:01:47 AM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 4 11 30 50 155 90 70 35 13 9 1,342,541 bozkurt
2 5 6 25 35 32 30 45 21 15 9 434,225 Zonny
3 7 10 75 110 85 458 65 37 8 397,055 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 2 6 12 28 62 240 56 18 14 9 366,232 Kaos
5 3 16 18 20 55 102 3 32 11 9 214,218 joeygray
6 6 1 15 40 41 20 60 20 10 9 128,410 Mastermind
7 1 9 12 14 26 14 15 12 5 9 34,136 jimmyp
8 3 10 20 56 17 7 7 1 1 9 6,652 ElGuapo
9 1 2 4 6 20 11 8 8 8 9 5,182 Lindyhopper_Agame
10 1 2 2 2 15 8 15 8 5 9 1,655 FairyGrandma
11 7 193 14 13 54 7 6 735.27 Punster
12 20 8 13 12 17 4 6 237.41 ListeningtoGod
13 2 45 5 10 20 9 6 142.79 gilbertgame27171
14 118 443 40 52 4 58.15 T1-T3
15 19 48 4 2 4 5 12.96 jsj41
16 4 34 149 3 4 5.38 gilbert10021
17 3 2 9 25 4 1.55 RogerAnonymous
18 11 88 2 1 4 1.15 d164280
19 1 3 9 28 4 1.01 TNmountainmanMUDstains
20 1 6 6 2 4 0.39 larwul

Date: Thu Apr 6 10:47:06 2017
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
joeygray, I really appreciate that you spend time doing these 11 sum and 12 sum rankings, but I'm not at all sure I like the way you do the scoring. Your leader, bozkurt, has a total streak of 458 games in 9 variants for a score of 1,342,541. I have a total streak of 847 games but only score 397,055 for third place. Second place Zonny has a score of 434,225 from a total streak of only 214 games. I presume this is because I'm not showing anything in 4x8, and that if I played and won one game (that would bring my streak to 6) that it might look very different but I think the scoring formula puts way too much emphasis on having a current streak in all variants. I really don't like playing 4x8, the win percentage is so low, and I especially don't like playing 4x7 with a win percent of about 25%. What's the point of playing game after game just to get to a streak of 1?

Date: Thu Apr 6 22:59:31 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 4/6/2017 11:01:49 PM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 4 11 35 55 230 110 75 45 14 9 1,797,633 bozkurt
2 5 7 25 35 35 31 50 23 15 9 506,777 Zonny
3 7 10 75 125 89 458 65 37 8 411,903 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 3 20 21 13 64 102 10 38 11 9 393,695 joeygray
5 2 6 12 28 62 240 56 18 14 9 366,232 Kaos
6 1 9 12 14 10 14 15 12 5 9 24,836 jimmyp
7 1 2 4 7 54 11 8 8 8 9 7,289 Lindyhopper_Agame
8 1 2 2 5 21 19 35 19 3 9 5,593 FairyGrandma
9 7 193 14 13 56 7 6 741.82 Punster
10 3 10 20 57 17 17 6 386.94 ElGuapo
11 6 10 5 80 25 10 6 323.51 Mastermind
12 26 2 17 16 21 14 6 279.74 ListeningtoGod
13 2 45 5 10 20 9 6 142.79 gilbertgame27171
14 118 443 40 52 4 58.15 T1-T3
15 1 4 19 37 19 5 14.23 TNmountainmanMUDstains
16 4 34 150 3 4 5.39 gilbert10021
17 22 2 11 1 3 5 3.21 jsj41
18 11 88 2 1 1 5 2.30 d164280
19 3 2 9 25 4 1.55 RogerAnonymous
20 1 3 13 2 4 0.38 ValpoJim
21 1 3 6 2 4 0.28 larwul

Date: Mon Apr 10 10:59:28 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 4/10/2017 11:01:50 AM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 5 12 37 55 280 115 80 50 15 9 2,729,700 bozkurt
2 2 8 13 75 145 100 458 66 38 9 2,239,340 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
3 4 24 25 23 73 103 13 39 13 9 917,579 joeygray
4 2 6 20 34 80 252 64 28 14 9 833,488 Kaos
5 5 9 26 20 20 40 52 24 21 9 612,630 Zonny
6 7 5 10 15 10 125 8 44 10 9 214,911 Mastermind
7 1 9 12 14 20 14 15 12 5 9 65,076 jimmyp
8 3 10 20 58 24 10 17 6 8 47,086 ElGuapo
9 1 3 5 8 81 14 9 9 9 9 36,234 Lindyhopper_Agame
10 1 2 2 5 21 19 35 19 3 9 18,788 FairyGrandma
11 1 1 2 5 21 89 9 11 5 9 14,922 d164280
12 1 5 13 39 39 23 6 2,317 TNmountainmanMUDstains
13 17 10 100 100 8 5 2,252 ix
14 121 446 48 55 4 2,013 T1-T3
15 2 45 5 10 20 9 6 1,725 gilbertgame27171
16 23 7 17 8 7 5 658.48 jsj41
17 8 1 15 14 56 5 504.28 Punster
18 4 34 150 3 4 224.91 gilbert10021
19 1 5 1 19 25 5 147.29 ListeningtoGod
20 1 4 6 10 2 5 88.13 larwul
21 3 2 9 25 4 76.39 RogerAnonymous
22 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 ValpoJim

Date: Thu Apr 13 22:59:54 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 4/13/2017 11:01:53 PM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 5 12 37 60 300 120 85 36 15 9 2,654,425 bozkurt
2 2 8 13 76 30 104 458 66 38 9 1,572,761 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
3 2 6 26 34 80 252 64 28 14 9 898,516 Kaos
4 5 10 26 22 22 40 52 24 22 9 680,215 Zonny
5 8 14 10 50 10 20 55 20 15 9 461,556 Mastermind
6 5 1 29 27 76 103 24 41 14 9 461,079 joeygray
7 3 10 20 58 18 24 10 17 6 9 203,503 ElGuapo
8 1 9 12 14 53 14 15 12 5 9 84,367 jimmyp
9 2 3 6 8 109 15 10 10 10 9 59,217 Lindyhopper_Agame
10 2 10 121 446 50 55 1 7 23,104 T1-T3
11 1 1 2 5 28 89 9 11 5 9 16,187 d164280
12 5 22 28 55 24 6 6 5,195 FairyGrandma
13 35 11 100 100 8 5 2,851 ix
14 6 13 41 44 24 5 1,651 TNmountainmanMUDstains
15 8 1 15 14 57 5 506.40 Punster
16 45 5 10 20 4 249.29 gilbertgame27171
17 3 23 30 6 4 161.74 ListeningtoGod
18 28 1 22 13 4 139.31 jsj41
19 1 7 10 2 4 36.02 larwul
20 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 ValpoJim

Date: Mon Apr 17 11:01:01 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 4/17/2017 11:01:49 AM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 5 12 37 60 300 120 85 53 15 9 2,924,237 bozkurt
2 2 8 15 76 5 104 459 66 38 9 924,201 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
3 2 6 26 34 90 252 64 28 14 9 921,979 Kaos
4 5 13 20 15 20 10 100 44 20 9 525,301 Mastermind
5 5 14 23 23 45 57 24 23 8 172,726 Zonny
6 1 21 28 32 103 30 42 17 8 139,347 joeygray
7 2 3 6 9 135 19 12 10 10 9 73,524 Lindyhopper_Agame
8 2 3 4 6 8 31 55 24 6 9 49,636 FairyGrandma
9 1 1 2 8 52 89 12 17 7 9 32,046 d164280
10 1 9 12 14 53 14 15 12 8 30,052 jimmyp
11 2 10 121 446 50 55 1 7 23,104 T1-T3
12 58 5 24 10 30 11 6 5,170 ElGuapo
13 33 11 100 100 8 5 2,807 ix
14 6 13 41 44 24 5 1,651 TNmountainmanMUDstains
15 9 5 16 15 57 5 973.77 Punster
16 35 35 115 20 4 831.46 huffy
17 28 4 27 19 3 5 628.43 jsj41
18 6 3 4 1 35 5 148.67 ListeningtoGod
19 2 10 7 10 4 81.48 larwul
20 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 ValpoJim

Date: Tue Apr 18 09:53:43 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
Per discussion on other threads, there was a formula change effective April 10, 2017. The score is now the product of F(x) over all nine columns, where F is log-to-the-base-2 (yeah, ix, how did you do that subscript thingie?) and x is the streak length of that column + 2. This produces a minimum multiplier per column of 1. To recapitulate, this calculation is being done for all players who have current streaks in at least two variants MxN such that the sum of M (number of columns) and N (number of freecells) is 12. Denny's software determines whether a streak is current or not, we observe that sometime during the 14th day after the last day you won a variant your standing on the current streak list is subject to being aged off, exactly when I don't know. Your streak will fully return, though, should you win again even years later. I am only displaying for this table folks who have 4 or more such current streaks. The calculation and its posting are currently being autoscheduled twice a week, every 3.5 days, and show up on this thread.

Date: Thu Apr 20 23:00:01 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 4/20/2017 11:01:52 PM
== === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 5 5 37 60 315 130 100 50 16 9 2,302,364 bozkurt
2 - 2 9 15 76 25 104 459 66 38 9 1,630,136 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
3 - 2 6 26 34 90 252 64 28 14 9 921,979 Kaos
4 -2 3 4 31 40 44 105 35 51 20 9 808,965 joeygray
5 +1 1 17 27 35 10 10 15 80 26 9 273,567 Mastermind
6 -6 1 11 21 58 33 24 10 30 11 9 250,620 ElGuapo
7 +2 3 8 16 25 39 47 61 23 8 127,698 Zonny
8 +1 2 4 7 11 155 22 16 11 11 9 115,814 Lindyhopper_Agame
9 - 1 1 4 14 71 92 15 20 5 9 53,927 d164280
10 +2 2 3 4 6 8 31 55 24 6 9 49,636 FairyGrandma
11 +1 1 9 12 14 63 14 15 7 8 26,064 jimmyp
12 +1 2 10 121 446 70 55 1 7 25,007 T1-T3
13 - 86 13 45 105 4 5 2,443 ix
14 - 1 3 17 46 43 22 6 2,198 TNmountainmanMUDstains
15 - 9 16 16 15 57 5 1,446 Punster
16 - 35 35 115 20 4 831.46 huffy
17 ! 7 35 151 4 4 309.80 gilbert10021
18 +1 28 10 33 4 4 233.24 jsj41
19 - 2 13 7 10 4 88.80 larwul
20 +2 2 6 8 5 1 5 88.69 ListeningtoGod
21 ! 3 2 3 86 4 69.65 gumbybros
22 +2 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 ValpoJim

Date: Thu Apr 20 23:08:18 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
Hmm. Got the pluses n minuses bassackwards. Fix next week.

Date: Sun Apr 23 14:43:26 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Joey, your 12-sum streak competition would be MUCH more interesting, imo, if your results table had a column for each player's all-time best score! I think it should be easy (but I could be wrong): if the "current score" is greater than the "best score", then update the "best score" (initialize the "best score" to zero)!!??? Or maybe even easier: BS = @MAX(BS,CS)!

Date: Sun Apr 23 19:10:07 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
Funny you should say that, Tony. I started keeping a column a few weeks ago, called the high water mark column, that does exactly that. I just hesitated to print it out due to page width. I'm still thinking about how to handle that.

Date: Sun Apr 23 19:11:24 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
Oh, and also keeping the date that him was achieved. More space needed!

Date: Mon Apr 24 06:10:32 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Excellent! When I said "all-time best score", I meant the best for your 12-sum competition, so "high water mark" is a good designation. You have lots of room for another column, imo! For me, the date is less interesting, although it might become interesting if the competition lasts for years and years! I suppose these comments apply equally to the 11-sum competition -- it is just that I'm not very interested in playing 11-sum games.

Date: Mon Apr 24 11:01:05 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score As of 4/24/2017 11:01:53 AM
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 6 6 40 65 366 135 120 70 16 9 3,175,948 bozkurt
2 ^2 3 10 32 40 54 108 40 54 14 9 1,126,468 joeygray
3 v1 9 22 76 51 104 459 67 39 8 1,112,576 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 ^3 3 4 17 26 50 50 67 23 23 9 524,683 Zonny
5 - 3 10 32 10 60 15 83 20 10 9 378,597 Mastermind
6 - 2 11 21 58 33 24 10 30 11 9 316,247 ElGuapo
7 ^1 1 5 8 15 180 26 18 12 12 9 136,617 Lindyhopper_Agame
8 ^1 1 1 4 16 81 94 15 23 12 9 82,151 d164280
9 ^1 2 3 4 6 8 31 55 24 6 9 49,636 FairyGrandma
10 ^2 2 10 121 446 70 55 1 7 25,007 T1-T3
11 - 9 12 14 67 14 17 7 7 17,334 jimmyp
12 ^2 1 4 11 21 59 57 21 7 10,824 TNmountainmanMUDstains
13 - 21 90 64 116 70 5 7,574 ix
14 v11 2 26 34 64 28 14 6 5,897 Kaos
15 - 10 18 17 16 58 5 1,621 Punster
16 ^5 1 3 2 3 120 3 3 2 8 1,277 gumbybros
17 v1 35 38 115 20 4 849.42 huffy
18 ^2 6 11 12 9 1 1 6 367.32 ListeningtoGod
19 v2 7 35 151 4 4 309.80 gilbert10021
20 v2 12 35 6 2 4 119.01 jsj41
21 ! 1 164 1 1 4 29.36 Dokmokm
22 - 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 ValpoJim

Date: Mon Apr 24 16:51:04 2017
User: TNmountainman
Message:
How would "high-water mark" be different from "12-sum all-time rankings"? I'm sure there's something I'm missing there - unless you're saying something like "beginning when I started these particular threads".

Date: Mon Apr 24 17:04:32 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
Ok, here per Tony's request is today's results with the High Water Mark column added. Yes, TN, this column is the highest score I've recorded so far in these bi-weekly runs; it wouldn't be the same as the all time score is since most likely you wouldn't have all of these variants at their highest at the same time. At least I wouldn't! I won't know if I like the looks of it til I post it... ;) (the asterisk is if you are CURRENTLY at the HWM.
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 count Score HWM As of 4/24/2017 11:01:53 AM
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 6 6 40 65 366 135 120 70 16 9 3,175,948 3.18e6* bozkurt
2 ^2 3 10 32 40 54 108 40 54 14 9 1,126,468 1.13e6* joeygray
3 v1 9 22 76 51 104 459 67 39 8 1,112,576 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 ^3 3 4 17 26 50 50 67 23 23 9 524,683 6.8e5_ Zonny
5 - 3 10 32 10 60 15 83 20 10 9 378,597 5.3e5_ Mastermind
6 - 2 11 21 58 33 24 10 30 11 9 316,247 3.16e5* ElGuapo
7 ^1 1 5 8 15 180 26 18 12 12 9 136,617 1.37e5* Lindyhopper_Agame
8 ^1 1 1 4 16 81 94 15 23 12 9 82,151 8.22e4* d164280
9 ^1 2 3 4 6 8 31 55 24 6 9 49,636 4.96e4* FairyGrandma
10 ^2 2 10 121 446 70 55 1 7 25,007 2.5e4* T1-T3
11 - 9 12 14 67 14 17 7 7 17,334 8.44e4_ jimmyp
12 ^2 1 4 11 21 59 57 21 7 10,824 1.08e4* TNmountainmanMUDstains
13 - 21 90 64 116 70 5 7,574 7.57e3* ix
14 v11 2 26 34 64 28 14 6 5,897 9.22e5_ Kaos
15 - 10 18 17 16 58 5 1,621 1.62e3* Punster
16 ^5 1 3 2 3 120 3 3 2 8 1,277 1.28e3* gumbybros
17 v1 35 38 115 20 4 849.42 8.49e2* huffy
18 ^2 6 11 12 9 1 1 6 367.32 3.67e2* ListeningtoGod
19 v2 7 35 151 4 4 309.80 3.1e2* gilbert10021
20 v2 12 35 6 2 4 119.01 6.58e2_ jsj41
21 ! 1 164 1 1 4 29.36 2.94e1* Dokmokm
22 - 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 2.88e1* ValpoJim

Date: Mon Apr 24 17:13:19 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
Meh. I hate going into the green. Lemme shrink the count column a bit, see if that helps.
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 4/24/2017 11:01
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 6 6 40 65 366 135 120 70 16 9 3,175,948 3.18e6* bozkurt
2 ^2 3 10 32 40 54 108 40 54 14 9 1,126,468 1.13e6* joeygray
3 v1 9 22 76 51 104 459 67 39 8 1,112,576 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 ^3 3 4 17 26 50 50 67 23 23 9 524,683 6.8e5_ Zonny
5 - 3 10 32 10 60 15 83 20 10 9 378,597 5.3e5_ Mastermind
6 - 2 11 21 58 33 24 10 30 11 9 316,247 3.16e5* ElGuapo
7 ^1 1 5 8 15 180 26 18 12 12 9 136,617 1.37e5* Lindyhopper_Agame
8 ^1 1 1 4 16 81 94 15 23 12 9 82,151 8.22e4* d164280
9 ^1 2 3 4 6 8 31 55 24 6 9 49,636 4.96e4* FairyGrandma
10 ^2 2 10 121 446 70 55 1 7 25,007 2.5e4* T1-T3
11 - 9 12 14 67 14 17 7 7 17,334 8.44e4_ jimmyp
12 ^2 1 4 11 21 59 57 21 7 10,824 1.08e4* TNmountainmanMUDstains
13 - 21 90 64 116 70 5 7,574 7.57e3* ix
14 v11 2 26 34 64 28 14 6 5,897 9.22e5_ Kaos
15 - 10 18 17 16 58 5 1,621 1.62e3* Punster
16 ^5 1 3 2 3 120 3 3 2 8 1,277 1.28e3* gumbybros
17 v1 35 38 115 20 4 849.42 8.49e2* huffy
18 ^2 6 11 12 9 1 1 6 367.32 3.67e2* ListeningtoGod
19 v2 7 35 151 4 4 309.80 3.1e2* gilbert10021
20 v2 12 35 6 2 4 119.01 6.58e2_ jsj41
21 ! 1 164 1 1 4 29.36 2.94e1* Dokmokm
22 - 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 2.88e1* ValpoJim

Date: Mon Apr 24 17:16:08 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
At least on my screen, it stays out of the black. And you guys with ridiculously long names only got y'self to blame for crossing into the green :)

Date: Mon Apr 24 17:59:18 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
If you make the screen a "window", and then drag either edge towards the center, you will get the "medium" view, and the table fits with about 2 inches to spare!! [Like for the old WWC Tables!]

Date: Mon Apr 24 19:27:21 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
I have the honor to report that don't work so good on my tablet. :)

Date: Tue Apr 25 04:05:35 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Really? What happens when you narrow the window? Maybe it's another bug in the system??? If you narrow the window even further you should get the following message at the bottom of the window: All content copyright ©2017 Freecell.net Maintained by Dennis Cronin view: small PS. The middle line is nearly invisible on my portable computer.

Date: Tue Apr 25 08:53:24 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
What I meant was, there isn't any sizeable window on a tablet. BTW, the view reported on the bottom of this page, on my tablet here, is already medium. But see the attached screen shot for how it's close to the edge. Of course I actually run the software from my desktop, after all tablets are meant to be content consumers, not producers. But I have long been aware that if I cross the green on the desktop I'm going to have trouble on the tablet, and the tablet is where I almost always use this site nowadays.

Link: Tablet screen shot for Tony

Date: Tue Apr 25 12:24:57 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
OK, thanks -- now I understand.

Date: Thu Apr 27 22:55:07 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 4/27/2017 23:01
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 6 6 43 65 100 135 120 70 16 9 2,532,092 3.18e6_ bozkurt
2 ! 2 5 7 231 48 183 381 126 6 9 1,072,131 1.07e6* CubicSprock
3 - 4 27 77 71 106 459 71 39 8 971,243 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 v2 3 4 34 50 68 109 50 60 4 9 646,313 1.13e6_ joeygray
5 - 3 15 38 20 13 40 140 30 10 9 608,139 6.08e5* Mastermind
6 - 2 11 21 58 36 24 10 30 11 9 323,562 3.24e5* ElGuapo
7 v3 3 5 18 27 10 51 15 24 24 9 253,800 6.80e5_ Zonny
8 v1 1 5 10 15 192 29 21 14 13 9 173,544 1.74e5* Lindyhopper_Agame
9 v1 1 4 16 89 95 15 27 14 8 58,283 8.22e4_ d164280
10 ^1 2 18 20 71 17 16 18 7 8 57,902 8.44e4_ jimmyp
11 ^2 26 93 73 73 122 76 6 53,562 5.36e4* ix
12 v3 2 3 4 6 9 37 59 8 8 9 43,095 4.96e4_ FairyGrandma
13 v1 1 5 11 23 66 2 9 7 3,220 1.08e4_ TNmountainmanMUDstains
14 ^1 10 23 17 16 58 5 1,742 1.74e3* Punster
15 ! 46 6 10 21 10 5 974.07 1.72e3_ gilbertgame27171
16 ^1 35 38 115 20 4 849.42 8.49e2* huffy
17 ^1 10 18 18 15 6 5 821.14 8.21e2* ListeningtoGod
18 ^2 7 19 40 11 4 5 718.17 7.18e2* jsj41
19 v5 34 64 28 14 4 613.34 9.22e5_ Kaos
20 v4 1 3 2 3 4 3 2 3 8 476.35 1.28e3_ gumbybros
21 v2 7 35 151 4 4 309.80 3.10e2* gilbert10021
22 - 1 3 13 2 4 28.76 2.88e1* ValpoJim
23 v2 1 9 1 1 4 13.77 2.94e1_ Dokmokm

Date: Mon May 1 11:00:14 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x7 5x6 6x5 7x4 8x3 9x2 10x1 11x0 ct Score HWM As of 5/1/2017 11:01
== == === === === === === === === ===
1 - 2 6 9 16 24 21 12 8 8 23,276 2.33e4* Zonny
2 - 5 5 14 23 20 9 6 7 6,775 6.78e3* joeygray
3 - 9 35 17 7 23 4 6 2,913 2.31e4_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 ^1 23 19 36 23 40 5 2,680 6.63e3_ gilbert10021
5 ^1 1 19 8 27 39 1 6 953.99 1.41e3_ gilbertgame27171
6 ^2 1 3 5 5 4 5 3 1 8 774.61 7.75e2* deadwing
7 - 4 4 7 12 8 2 6 535.80 8.14e2_ d164280
8 v4 11 26 6 3 4 123.92 4.11e3_ ElGuapo
9 - 9 1 1 12 4 33.09 3.31e1* Darkosi
10 - 1 3 2 2 2 5 29.44 6.34e1_ jimmyp

Date: Mon May 1 11:03:43 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
How did that happen??

Date: Mon May 1 11:17:35 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
Hmmph. 11-sum got posted here by misteak, please ignore previous post.
Heh heh, of course it was always the danger, that creating a ranking would goad into action these guys who are better'n me (.nods pointedly at CS and Kaos). ;)

t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 5/1/2017 11:02
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 6 6 43 65 100 135 120 57 16 9 2,414,193 3.18e6_ bozkurt
2 - 3 7 12 231 52 183 381 127 11 9 2,126,580 2.13e6* CubicSprock
3 ^16 3 7 35 40 76 256 70 40 14 9 1,385,520 1.39e6* Kaos
4 - 2 6 36 52 83 111 71 65 16 9 1,240,235 1.24e6* joeygray
5 v2 7 27 77 83 106 460 71 39 8 1,233,714 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
6 v1 2 2 10 23 30 70 170 60 15 9 371,296 6.08e5_ Mastermind
7 v1 2 11 21 58 36 24 10 14 11 9 258,849 3.24e5_ ElGuapo
8 - 1 5 11 19 215 35 29 15 14 9 236,860 2.37e5* Lindyhopper_Agame
9 ^1 2 10 18 20 76 17 16 20 8 9 227,919 2.28e5* jimmyp
10 v3 3 5 1 27 13 62 45 29 24 9 152,183 6.80e5_ Zonny
11 v2 4 16 97 95 15 31 16 7 40,549 8.22e4_ d164280
12 ! 24 25 34 81 67 43 1 7 39,167 3.92e4* TitanicTony
13 v2 5 94 78 80 134 97 6 34,910 5.36e4_ ix
14 - 2 11 28 18 17 59 8 7 13,135 1.31e4* Punster
15 v2 1 5 3 23 68 7 8 7 3,097 1.08e4_ TNmountainmanMUDstains
16 ^4 1 3 2 3 2 7 5 4 3 9 1,826 1.83e3* gumbybros
17 v2 46 6 10 21 10 5 974.07 1.72e3_ gilbertgame27171
18 v1 14 23 21 11 1 5 492.82 8.21e2_ ListeningtoGod
19 ^2 7 35 151 4 4 309.80 3.10e2* gilbert10021
20 v8 9 37 8 8 4 201.77 4.96e4_ FairyGrandma
21 v3 22 43 14 2 4 201.44 7.18e2_ jsj41
22 ^1 1 17 1 1 4 16.91 2.94e1_ Dokmokm

Date: Thu May 4 23:04:14 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 5/4/2017 23:02
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 ^1 3 9 21 232 67 184 382 127 15 9 3,240,219 3.24e6* CubicSprock
2 v1 6 8 45 80 110 135 120 30 16 9 2,457,239 3.18e6_ bozkurt
3 ^2 7 27 77 103 106 460 83 39 8 1,338,238 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 v1 3 7 12 40 76 256 70 40 14 9 1,012,614 1.39e6_ Kaos
5 ^8 2 4 15 100 103 102 137 102 3 9 702,570 7.03e5* ix
6 v2 3 10 37 100 100 112 77 10 8 302,461 1.24e6_ joeygray
7 ^1 1 5 11 20 223 36 30 15 14 9 246,140 2.46e5* Lindyhopper_Agame
8 ^1 2 10 18 8 76 4 30 20 8 9 123,882 2.28e5_ jimmyp
9 ^11 3 4 5 7 11 39 71 10 9 9 81,290 8.13e4* FairyGrandma
10 ^2 24 25 45 81 67 43 6 7 79,651 7.97e4* TitanicTony
11 v1 4 2 10 27 3 62 3 31 24 9 69,059 6.80e5_ Zonny
12 v1 4 16 101 95 15 34 16 7 41,917 8.22e4_ d164280
13 v6 2 58 36 24 10 14 11 7 15,464 3.24e5_ ElGuapo
14 - 2 12 32 19 18 60 8 7 14,546 1.45e4* Punster
15 ^1 1 4 3 4 52 7 10 4 4 9 10,746 1.07e4* gumbybros
16 v1 5 11 29 72 39 11 6 6,336 1.08e4_ TNmountainmanMUDstains
17 ^1 4 27 25 4 14 3 6 1,434 1.43e3* ListeningtoGod
18 v1 47 7 10 21 10 5 1,035 1.72e3_ gilbertgame27171
19 - 2 36 152 5 4 214.12 3.10e2_ gilbert10021
20 ^2 1 26 1 1 4 19.14 2.94e1_ Dokmokm

Date: Fri May 5 11:52:13 2017
User: deadwing
Message:
do we need a lifetime 9 sum challenge? lol

Date: Fri May 5 15:54:22 2017
User: CubicSprock
Message:
deadwing you've got me beat 156-129 in that category. 2 in 4x5 being the big difference.

Date: Fri May 5 17:51:04 2017
User: deadwing
Message:
lead in 7x2 played as well - though not under one name -davidxz300 porcupinetree and deadwing Thanks CubicSprock Now, Can you help my humility lesson

Date: Mon May 8 11:02:09 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 5/8/2017 11:02
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 3 12 24 233 83 190 383 128 16 9 4,001,797 4.00e6* CubicSprock
2 - 7 8 48 85 120 150 135 60 17 9 3,453,273 3.45e6* bozkurt
3 ^2 2 4 17 100 105 102 147 105 23 9 1,495,971 1.50e6* ix
4 v1 7 29 77 30 106 460 18 40 8 689,753 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
5 ^6 4 8 16 27 25 63 16 44 25 9 545,536 6.80e5_ Zonny
6 - 4 1 40 101 101 113 86 4 13 9 441,094 1.24e6_ joeygray
7 - 1 6 12 24 236 37 31 15 14 9 292,850 2.93e5* Lindyhopper_Agame
8 v4 3 7 20 40 51 256 70 40 8 270,212 1.39e6_ Kaos
9 ^1 5 25 26 48 81 67 43 6 8 232,369 2.32e5* TitanicTony
10 v2 2 10 18 8 79 10 30 20 8 9 173,295 2.28e5_ jimmyp
11 ^1 1 1 4 17 103 96 17 38 17 9 117,652 1.18e5* d164280
12 ! 2 3 11 122 447 77 57 3 8 90,658 9.07e4* T1-T3
13 v4 3 4 5 7 13 39 77 10 9 9 87,405 8.74e4* FairyGrandma
14 ^1 2 4 4 5 82 8 13 6 6 9 28,013 2.80e4* gumbybros
15 ^1 1 8 18 40 59 59 22 7 19,789 1.98e4* TNmountainmanMUDstains
16 v2 2 12 33 19 18 61 9 7 15,332 1.53e4* Punster
17 ^1 47 7 10 21 10 5 1,035 1.72e3_ gilbertgame27171
18 v1 10 34 4 9 2 3 6 769.67 1.43e3_ ListeningtoGod
19 ! 3 7 53 31 10 5 769.52 7.70e2* jsj41
20 ! 1 1 2 2 4 5 3 1 1 9 425.34 4.25e2* kertmeyenkele
21 v2 2 36 152 5 4 214.12 3.10e2_ gilbert10021
22 v2 1 35 1 1 4 20.74 2.94e1_ Dokmokm

Date: Thu May 11 12:13:33 2017
User: Lindyhopper_Agame
Message:
Is there a reason that we don't do this using the "Winnable" variations? I haven't had more than 2 winnable 4x8 in a row , and I just got an unwinnable 12x0 (http://www.freecell.net/f/c/view_one_game.html?;22462,6,12x0). Unwinnable 12x0 isn't that common, but unwinnable 4x8 is very common. Free@last had this list: https://goo.gl/2ld3p9 So I guess it is mainly the tails.

Date: Thu May 11 14:40:50 2017
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Well......not speaking for joeygray.....but we already had/have ix's "Winnable Challenge", which I guess is still ongoing although Tony hasn't posted an update recently. And speaking strictly for myself.....that one got, imo, corrupted by people using external aids to win, thus mitigating, or weakening, the purpose of it (for many, or most). Since those games were known to be winnable, those people gamed the competition by just continually winning by brute force rather than skill. Using the standard games is a 'cleaner' competition, although if someone wants to cheat, for example in the almost-all-winnable 11x1s, for example, they could (and maybe some do). And since the 8x4s *are* known to be all winnable, it may be happening there, too. And to recall my earlier arguments, even if many games are not winnable in a particular variant, separation becomes evident after a while. The better players will still show their skill - it'll just be a bit 'choppy' at the margin(s). And although your point is accurate, for say the 4x8 variant you mention, there are 3 players in the "Current" list with over 600 plays, and yet have a 36+% winning percentage. And there are a few others with similar success on the "All-Time" list. Looking at your stats in 4x8, it appears that as of now, you've only played *8* games, winning 4, which is better than most do. I think if you play a few more, you'll see that streaks of 3 or greater are certainly possible - it'll just take a while. Or it could happen quickly.

Date: Fri May 12 10:24:29 2017
User: CubicSprock
Message:
guess joey's pc went down. Was hoping to save my High Water Mark of 6.3M last night before crashing one of my current streaks.

Date: Sat May 13 11:00:27 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Just for fun (and about 10+ hours of work), I have decided to post a Table like Joey's based on all-time best streaks (as of 12 May 2017).
I had to lookup a lot of streaks and enter them manually, so there are almost certainly a few errors! Also, there may be a few players that got left out (sorry).
I am including the top 74 players, with scores > 500,000:
At the bottom of the table is the sum of the streaks for each variant, which is a rough measure of each variant's difficulty and/or popularity.

Ra-
nks 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 Sum Avg. Score Players:
== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ===== ========= = =================
1 4 14 85 164 334 1004 1344 308 51 3308 367.6 20,265,544 ValpoJim
2 5 34 59 204 483 267 461 271 55 1839 204.3 19,915,354 Goosey_Goosey_Gander
3 6 37 50 234 561 297 383 128 36 1732 192.4 16,945,933 CubicSprock
4 5 24 61 110 360 329 227 130 47 1293 143.7 11,844,941 joeygray
5 9 27 67 78 269 256 132 157 33 1028 114.2 11,137,731 Kaos
6 5 23 38 113 328 247 208 111 66 1139 126.6 10,130,315 TNmountainman
7 1 4 61 111 1547 1556 1920 248 44 5492 610.2 9,009,472 bwi
8 6 13 45 96 402 179 187 150 44 1122 124.7 8,466,022 firenze
9 8 21 47 63 219 186 199 122 38 903 100.3 8,465,133 Mastermind
10 4 16 38 181 211 408 190 127 43 1218 135.3 8,453,276 Darkosi
11 4 15 35 87 602 387 289 142 20 1581 175.7 7,414,364 Laffman
12 6 7 22 133 170 794 293 192 39 1656 184.0 7,376,837 Gulbis
13 10 22 31 71 362 115 109 86 37 843 93.7 6,958,715 ElGuapo
14 0 22 45 548 3926 635 164 91 38 5469 607.7 6,617,898 EZ-Ed3-LAnseMI
15 6 14 42 76 146 210 97 160 46 797 88.6 6,234,556 Zonny
16 7 12 48 85 596 150 135 74 17 1124 124.9 5,527,349 bozkurt
17 2 7 39 179 216 304 430 190 28 1395 155.0 5,324,395 ix
18 3 21 63 80 471 86 125 122 20 991 110.1 5,002,582 dcn21
19 6 14 51 65 130 135 89 120 28 638 70.9 4,614,114 Catailong2
20 4 11 86 42 682 97 84 73 42 1121 124.6 4,602,400 gilbertgame27171
21 0 8 59 223 783 560 392 309 25 2359 262.1 4,590,736 T1-T3
22 7 20 75 24 145 146 96 84 25 622 69.1 4,368,543 SirPape
23 0 6 117 239 173 370 493 288 48 1734 192.7 4,303,590 carlw
24 1 10 25 80 218 259 354 156 58 1161 129.0 3,923,517 TitanicTony
25 11 19 55 71 203 74 124 44 10 611 67.9 3,890,156 jedirod
26 5 11 34 53 197 99 124 86 42 651 72.3 3,884,649 BrownsRedSox
27 4 9 37 32 149 364 424 86 19 1124 124.9 3,673,144 rrrtsch
28 5 11 33 60 122 100 170 57 32 590 65.6 3,271,940 JC
29 3 11 27 40 265 153 101 88 30 718 79.8 2,865,125 Tagkag
30 4 14 37 31 282 93 130 58 22 671 74.6 2,816,045 canman1944
31 3 14 32 50 183 71 40 130 30 553 61.4 2,384,847 EMU
32 5 11 25 63 177 66 118 40 24 529 58.8 2,372,543 SilvioManuel
33 3 6 28 49 177 104 142 66 45 620 68.9 2,366,748 Top-100-of-all-variants
34 8 40 137 325 4 32 14 145 46 751 83.4 2,253,096 loskazanes
35 1 1 29 84 329 271 355 374 51 1495 166.1 2,251,169 d164280
36 2 4 21 91 400 256 70 88 37 969 107.7 2,243,785 Boojum
37 3 12 29 48 130 106 78 59 31 496 55.1 2,224,592 lenaspinoza
38 2 11 34 45 306 115 48 80 30 671 74.6 2,165,568 jimmyp
39 2 3 35 63 169 131 346 79 35 863 95.9 2,126,159 mickyiw
40 3 25 38 53 100 106 135 19 18 497 55.2 2,062,999 wargreymon
41 6 12 54 60 124 49 65 37 15 422 46.9 2,048,527 snoverdavid
42 2 12 43 48 23 114 134 114 41 531 59.0 1,982,491 willem44
43 2 2 39 46 143 153 471 78 31 965 107.2 1,771,804 WRAC
44 3 7 27 76 137 92 59 45 32 478 53.1 1,757,557 kenwa
46 3 12 22 20 268 86 72 45 39 567 63.0 1,742,583 RacingGenk
47 3 8 30 48 95 77 91 58 29 439 48.8 1,732,919 araujo
47 4 3 26 25 329 97 67 71 50 672 74.7 1,640,986 mycatmax
48 2 10 38 44 102 93 103 112 12 516 57.3 1,620,642 Foo!=Bar
49 4 19 7 61 125 187 79 32 19 533 59.2 1,610,722 kangaroo
50 2 9 23 43 118 103 80 80 22 480 53.3 1,516,449 edv
51 3 4 57 35 31 135 79 125 32 501 55.7 1,484,535 Imhungry
52 0 1 29 63 532 281 1388 291 25 2610 290.0 1,419,734 Lawrence55Dee
53 2 6 10 37 57 135 188 105 44 584 64.9 1,338,091 rws33315
54 2 2 35 36 251 179 240 76 15 836 92.9 1,332,011 RandyR
55 5 14 32 46 74 59 49 50 9 338 37.6 1,322,530 Moneynous
56 6 11 24 39 66 64 16 91 24 341 37.9 1,318,430 Townie
57 3 14 23 45 120 116 65 41 9 436 48.4 1,301,334 Repperzed
58 3 10 23 25 82 33 59 66 22 323 35.9 997,581 rottenron
59 0 0 18 63 668 420 1977 156 42 3344 371.6 930,510 mercury
60 2 2 25 21 820 104 53 38 30 1095 121.7 862,264 LadeniusM
61 1 6 30 30 67 80 93 65 18 390 43.3 795,149 mikmaq
62 5 13 10 38 17 40 58 72 20 273 30.3 784,019 teabag50
63 1 6 23 46 62 68 78 61 18 363 40.3 740,680 jomar
64 3 10 11 46 66 32 28 60 15 271 30.1 636,250 kajake
65 1 0 31 66 517 142 125 108 16 1006 111.8 622,023 mabb
66 1 0 27 39 188 168 104 126 49 702 78.0 618,100 fercell
67 4 3 20 41 71 15 72 58 21 305 33.9 609,689 malr
68 3 10 39 75 83 256 128 54 0 648 72.0 585,224 babydaddy
69 2 4 18 33 30 61 49 58 32 287 31.9 583,877 SAB
70 2 6 13 27 1812 40 34 16 14 1964 218.2 573,208 Lindyhopper_Agame
71 1 0 26 67 1029 707 1250 16 6 3102 344.7 567,920 Rebecca
72 0 0 43 100 373 223 115 152 22 1028 114.2 560,436 gilbert10021
73 0 17 18 60 16 88 87 61 25 372 41.3 544,637 rufus_r
74 0 7 16 65 66 178 113 63 8 516 57.3 500,811 julia

254 844 2830 6058 25089 15793 18489 8019 2236

Date: Sat May 13 14:30:26 2017
User: ValpoJim
Message:
Holey moley Tony, that was an amazing amount of work! I can't say that I like having a target on my back for being in first currently though. There's nowhere for me to go but down! It looks like bwi just needs to get something going in both the 4x8 and 5x7 to catapult into first and well ahead of everyone else.

Date: Sat May 13 15:49:05 2017
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Hi ValpoJim, neither you, nor bwi, appear in Joey's 12-sum Current Table. Probably CubicSprock is a bigger threat!? Possibly I will never repeat the above Table. Results based on all-time best streaks don't change very quickly, imo.

Date: Sun May 14 10:11:02 2017
User: CubicSprock
Message:
probably a bigger threat b/c I know about the competition, but bwi could crank out some streaks in 4x8 and 5x7 in under an hour to catapult over 20 million. For me it'll take extending my current 6x6 and 11x1 streaks by about 40 each and being able to do that is far from guaranteed. In joey's absence here is my new HWM. 3, 20, 50, 234, 120, 200, 383, 128, 17 = 6,327,092 my 10x2 streak is unfortunately about to disappear so I won't be breaking this mark for current streaks for quite some time (if ever).

Date: Thu May 18 23:02:13 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 5/18/2017 23:02
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 4 21 70 236 126 202 110 131 18 9 6,349,768 6.35e6* CubicSprock
2 - 7 8 48 85 120 150 135 60 17 9 3,453,273 3.45e6* bozkurt
3 - 1 9 31 78 81 107 461 31 40 9 1,817,205 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 ^1 4 1 40 101 101 113 86 4 13 9 441,094 1.24e6_ joeygray
5 ^1 2 7 26 103 110 110 160 29 8 344,826 1.50e6_ ix
6 ^1 6 26 27 50 84 69 45 11 8 324,424 3.24e5* TitanicTony
7 ^2 1 6 13 30 283 45 39 20 3 9 233,401 2.93e5_ Lindyhopper_Agame
8 - 11 22 21 56 14 22 21 9 8 129,032 2.28e5_ jimmyp
9 v5 8 52 72 256 70 28 18 7 124,435 1.39e6_ Kaos
10 - 1 1 4 17 109 96 17 39 19 9 123,928 1.24e5* d164280
11 - 3 8 9 9 27 67 27 1 26 9 101,396 6.80e5_ Zonny
12 - 3 11 123 450 80 59 4 7 51,452 9.07e4_ T1-T3
13 ^2 1 2 7 8 14 40 63 11 5 9 45,044 8.74e4_ FairyGrandma
14 v1 1 9 19 44 74 2 73 18 8 44,749 4.47e4* TNmountainmanMUDstains
15 v1 1 5 4 6 20 10 25 10 14 9 37,613 3.83e4_ gumbybros
16 - 13 39 20 19 64 9 6 8,573 1.57e4_ Punster
17 - 1 1 2 3 4 8 9 14 3 9 3,219 3.22e3* kertmeyenkele
18 ^2 16 16 59 39 7 5 1,751 1.75e3* jsj41
19 - 38 90 155 22 4 1,161 1.16e3* huffy
20 v2 1 1 13 3 13 15 1 2 8 1,154 1.15e3* Ellie2
21 ! 4 17 4 1 2 5 3 7 586.52 5.87e2* LightRider
22 v1 49 8 10 23 4 313.71 1.72e3_ gilbertgame27171

Date: Fri May 19 09:35:17 2017
User: CubicSprock
Message:
Good to know that my "quite some time (if ever)." was 4 days. and glad to see joey is back (or at least his computer).

Date: Mon May 22 11:00:42 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 5/22/2017 11:02
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 - 4 21 88 236 130 202 117 131 20 9 7,026,493 7.03e6* CubicSprock
2 - 8 9 49 86 130 160 145 60 18 9 4,033,688 4.03e6* bozkurt
3 - 1 9 31 78 15 107 461 56 41 9 1,361,568 2.58e6_ Goosey_Goosey_Gander
4 ^1 2 7 26 104 110 110 160 11 30 9 1,290,427 1.50e6_ ix
5 ^6 3 10 10 18 40 68 40 43 27 9 613,241 6.80e5_ Zonny
6 ^3 8 12 52 106 262 76 28 18 8 527,204 1.39e6_ Kaos
7 v1 6 26 27 50 84 69 45 11 8 324,424 3.24e5* TitanicTony
8 v1 1 7 14 31 299 49 45 20 3 9 272,318 2.93e5_ Lindyhopper_Agame
9 v1 11 22 21 60 14 22 21 9 8 131,152 2.28e5_ jimmyp
10 - 1 4 17 115 96 17 43 19 8 81,046 1.24e5_ d164280
11 ^2 1 2 7 8 14 41 68 12 7 9 53,596 8.74e4_ FairyGrandma
12 ^2 10 19 46 84 8 53 19 7 47,673 4.77e4* TNmountainmanMUDstains
13 ^2 1 5 8 82 12 26 12 16 8 27,457 3.83e4_ gumbybros
14 ^3 1 2 3 4 10 15 9 65 5 9 16,425 1.64e4* kertmeyenkele
15 ^1 14 41 21 20 64 9 6 9,155 1.57e4_ Punster
16 v4 125 452 85 63 6 5 7,181 9.07e4_ T1-T3
17 ^5 49 8 352 23 11 5 2,742 2.74e3* gilbertgame27171
18 ^2 1 1 13 3 13 15 1 2 8 1,154 1.15e3* Ellie2
19 ^2 4 1 17 4 1 2 5 3 8 929.61 9.30e2* LightRider
20 v2 16 17 60 39 1 5 895.60 1.75e3_ jsj41
21 ! 6 3 38 5 10 5 373.10 3.73e2* ValpoJim
22 ! 4 12 30 21 4 222.60 2.23e2* RogerAnonymous
23 ! 7 5 18 1 1 5 96.62 1.43e3_ ListeningtoGod

Date: Wed May 24 15:17:52 2017
User: CubicSprock
Message:
from this list by Free that Lindy mentions... https://goo.gl/2ld3p9 just checking out this list, seems obvious a few of those unwon games are clearly winnable (specifically the fact that there are 9x4 and 9x5 that weren't won)...but I'm guessing these numbers are very small so for the variants with at least 1% unwinnables I'm guessing it is a very good estimate. The percentages always surprise me to how many games are actually winnable. for example 55% of 4x7-5's are winnable...and 82% of 4x8-5's. And in 10x1-5's 98.3% (97.6% for -6) of games are winnable, this has been hard to believe given my recent terrible luck in 10x1... 12-15 of my last 150-200 games have been unwinnable (or at least unwon)...more than triple the unwon rate for this variant. another example the 7x3 and 8x2 are both ~95% winnable at level 5. Getting to 20 in those variants is an incredibly rare feat for me, but the odds of getting 20 winnable games in a row really isn't all that low. It is a shame these stats don't exist for all variants...I'm really interested in 5x6 & 5x7. I'm guessing at level 5 the 5x6 might be over 90% with 5x7 over 98%, though my actual win percentages make them appear much more difficult.

Date: Thu May 25 05:15:08 2017
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
I don't expect actual win percentages in these difficult variations to reflect true winnable percentages at level 5 because, at least for me, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on a game when my streak is zero or 1 or 2, I'm going to crash through a few games quickly until a couple of easy ones get dealt

Date: Thu May 25 09:27:30 2017
User: CubicSprock
Message:
GGG...I agree, usually best to find an easy game for the 1st win than to struggle through analyzing a game that is extremely difficult or impossible...I find this especially true in the 4 column variants since they are such a pain to analyze due to card spacing issues. But it is nice to know that in 4x8 for example, once I've got 2-3 in a row to not give up so easily b/c there is a good chance that a game that looks impossible might actually be winnable. I tend to have a lot of sub 15 second losses in some of these variants and might be throwing away a few winnable games.

Date: Fri May 26 06:22:54 2017
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
Agree. The 4 column variants are a pain and I'm only playing those other than 4x10 because of this 11 sum and 12 sum scoring. It's impossible, for me at least, to work through enough moves to clear a column. So the first moves are a gamble, and if they are wrong, a potentially winnable game is lost. I look for which columns have all high cards in the top 2/3 and try to stack up on them. If there are two columns like that the game has a chance. If there are low cards high up in all 4 columns, I find there is very little to no chance of winning.

Date: Mon May 29 11:02:07 2017
User: joeygray
Message:
t 4x8 5x7 6x6 7x5 8x4 9x3 10x2 11x1 12x0 ct Score HWM As of 5/29/2017 11:02
== == === === === === === === === === ===
1 ^1 8 9 50 89 135 170 175 61 18 9 4,335,189 4.34e6* bozkurt
2 ^1 2 10 34 79 60 108 462 64 41 9 2,756,806 2.76e6* Goosey_Goosey_Gander
3 ^1 2 9 35 105 112 112 170 41 31 9 2,306,060 2.31e6* ix
4 v3 5 25 102 238 170 210 2 2 27 9 788,670 7.03e6_ CubicSprock
5 - 3 10 23 29 50 70 50 4 27 9 482,161 6.80e5_ Zonny
6 ^1 14 27 28 50 84 45 45 14 8 431,075 4.31e5* TitanicTony
7 ^1 1 7 14 32 336 51 47 33 4 9 366,260 3.66e5* Lindyhopper_Agame
8 v2 8 1 52 106 262 76 28 18 8 219,470 1.39e6_ Kaos
9 ^1 1 1 4 17 120 96 18 49 20 9 138,256 1.38e5* d164280
10 ^3 1 6 6 9 140 15 28 15 17 9 122,871 1.23e5* gumbybros
11 ^1 1 10 22 29 88 13 66 20 8 88,865 8.89e4* TNmountainmanMUDstains
12 ^4 4 12 126 453 88 67 9 7 83,451 9.07e4_ T1-T3
13 ^2 1 2 3 15 51 22 21 66 10 9 77,998 7.80e4* Punster
14 v3 1 3 8 9 15 41 61 12 7 9 67,670 8.74e4_ FairyGrandma
15 ^2 52 8 352 64 24 11 6 17,019 1.70e4* gilbertgame27171
16 v2 3 6 5 10 15 9 61 5 8 16,635 1.66e4* kertmeyenkele
17 ! 1 4 8 4 31 26 6 2 8 5,119 5.12e3* DebbyJ
18 - 2 7 14 4 14 16 2 3 8 5,078 5.08e3* Ellie2
19 ! 2 5 5 10 10 60 10 7 4,324 4.32e3* firenze
20 v11 11 21 5 14 22 5 861.84 2.28e5_ jimmyp
21 v1 16 24 71 5 2 5 681.20 1.75e3_ jsj41
22 ! 5 217 17 13 4 362.24 3.62e2* JackK2017
23 ! 3 37 153 6 4 267.88 3.10e2_ gilbert10021
24 v1 2 3 29 2 1 8 6 242.27 1.43e3_ ListeningtoGod
25 v4 10 3 1 5 10 5 132.78 3.73e2_ ValpoJim
26 v7 5 5 5 3 4 51.37 9.30e2_ LightRider


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