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Subject: Journey/Def Leppard


Date: Sun Sep 2 22:57:15 2018
User: Denny
Message:
$850 apiece for good seats. Rock'n'roll baby!

Date: Mon Sep 3 00:21:22 2018
User: jamesblackburn-lynch
Message:
Define "good seats." If you really want to relive high school shouldn't you get the crap seats you would have been able to afford then? Seeing Bob Dylan for pretty cheap in a couple of months. Not the same flavor...but The Go-Gos and B-52s were even cheaper.

Date: Mon Sep 3 06:12:01 2018
User: josearbelada
Message:
It used to be that bands etc. would price their tickets at reasonable rates. Scalpers would buy large blocks of tickets and resell them at greatly inflated prices just outside the venue. Performers have figured out that they could both hurt the scalpers and make more money themselves by raising the price to the level the the scalpers were charging. JMA

Date: Mon Sep 3 08:07:29 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
……...and thus the Eagles 'ruined' the live concert scene for a large block of fans.

Date: Mon Sep 3 10:45:01 2018
User: Denny
Message:
The "cheap" seats are $76 off to the side and behind the stage way up in nosebleed. I'd still rather stay home.

Date: Mon Sep 3 12:10:51 2018
User: scottp
Message:
At $850/seat? Some people have more money than brains.

Date: Mon Sep 3 13:12:18 2018
User: Barometer
Message:
Just goes to show the pathetic state of affairs in the modern music industry, when bands that were popular 30, 40, even 50 years ago can still command those ticket prices.

Date: Mon Sep 3 15:58:48 2018
User: The-Man
Message:
The reason being is that there are NO record sales anymore. The only way they can make $$ is to tour, tour, tour.

Date: Mon Sep 3 19:02:34 2018
User: rbf
Message:
I feel I am being ripped off at £60 per seat! And I’m in the UK’s affluent retired demographic.

Date: Mon Sep 3 19:26:10 2018
User: joeygray
Message:
I was used to being able to pick up old 60's groups like the Turtles, the Zombies, the Vogues, and like that for pretty cheap. But come to think of it, I haven't seen their ilk around for a while. I spose they've died off.. :(. I did see Jason Mraz last month for less than a hundred. No pyrotechnics or the like in that show.

Date: Mon Sep 3 20:49:10 2018
User: Barometer
Message:
I'm guessing many of the old bands still make some $$ from digital distribution, but I think today's "music" is awful, and the industry execs apparently ignore the demand for 70s and 80s-style rock. Since there are very few new bands to back-fill the demand, the old bands continue to tour. And if they can get $100 or $800 for a ticket, more power to them. Btw, I saw a YT pirate video of Def Leppard in Hartford CT this year and, for their age, they sounded great.

Date: Mon Sep 3 21:17:46 2018
User: jamesblackburn-lynch
Message:
The Zombies are very popular. Odyssey and Oracle has become legendary. They are touring now. https://www.thezombiesmusic.com/tour-dates

Date: Tue Sep 4 02:29:44 2018
User: Julian
Message:
You should see what we have to pay "down under" bands have to recoup all their costs from flying all the way down hear. Our cheap seats usually start at $200+

Date: Tue Sep 4 06:28:02 2018
User: Raymone-of-Bayonne
Message:
Two years ago we saw Heart at the Panama City Beach Civic Center. The cost was reasonable, but the acoustics sucked! We left early. At 70 I can't be bothered with the cost and the crowds.

Date: Tue Sep 4 06:42:45 2018
User: outskirts
Message:
Denny forgot to mention that the Eagles are also on the ticket with journey/ DL still not worth it

Date: Tue Sep 4 13:07:43 2018
User: corpmom
Message:
Just a heads up.....don't ever go through Ticketmaster. Go straight to the venue. You'll get better and cheaper seats. I know. That's what we do.

Date: Tue Sep 4 13:31:05 2018
User: joeygray
Message:
I do whenever the venue is close enough. Unfortunately a 120 mile round trip to the venue just to buy the tickets, on top of the one on the day of the actual gig, is usually out of the question. There are usually better reseller alternatives to ticketbastard, though.

Date: Tue Sep 4 14:10:02 2018
User: joeygray
Message:
So I'm thinking about seein John Ondrasik Sunday after next in downtown D.C. It's only 40 miles away (even closer as the crow flies and maybe that route would be ok on a Sunday evening though it would be nuts to go that way in the daytime when the box office is open.) But it's an hour drive at best and I just can't spend at least two hours driving there to buy tickets. Mediocre singer, but good songwriter and great lyricist. Like I told Songcutter before, that's my wheelhouse in music enjoyment. 80% material, 20% performance.

Date: Tue Sep 4 21:06:01 2018
User: 2323james
Message:
yeah, NO. Haven't been able to convince myself about a $$$ ticket (ok $1$$ no big deal, but > $5xx just can't!!) So much opportunity for performers at the great venues with 50 - 2000 ppl for $50-80. Just much more my gig these days. And by far ... any (really any) show at Red Rocks Amp in Morrison CO, is a must.

Date: Wed Sep 5 12:17:19 2018
User: jamesblackburn-lynch
Message:
I'm going to see Liz Phair on October 2nd (just bought the ticket). The ticket was $14! No kidding! But they charged $15 for a service fee. So, $30 for Liz.

Date: Fri Sep 7 15:13:43 2018
User: AbelardLindsay
Message:
Saw Neil Young in July. It was ~$300 a seat for 20th row center. An awful lotta dough, but Neil Young, man! He did not disappoint.

Date: Fri Sep 7 23:12:22 2018
User: cynthie
Message:
I have lived within 10 miles of Red Rocks amphitheater for the past 37 years. I have hiked there and my daughter’s graduation from high school was there. I went to my first concert there last year! It’s an amazing place. If you want to go there and you live at a lower altitude, make sure to give yourself time to acclimate to the altitude. It’s quite a strenuous hike if you’re not used to the altitude.

Date: Sat Sep 8 15:52:04 2018
User: BuzzClik
Message:

I really don't understand the willingness to shell out big bucks to watch worn out musicians attempt to recapture their (and their audience's) youth. I have passed every opportunity to see the "dinosaurs" perform with the single exception of jazz musicians, who never seem to age musically. Yeah, $75 was a lot to pay for B.B. King, but he was so good. I've seen a load of Aussies perform locally, and I've never paid more than $30. The notion that you must multiply ticket prices by ten to cover transportation costs is fiction. So, if you're willing to pay $200+ to see anybody, you can only blame yourself. Thumbs up to Denny for drawing a line in the sand.




Date: Sat Sep 8 19:18:37 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I completely agree with all that. The most I've ever paid for a show was $60, which was Alison Krauss and Robert Plant on the Raising Sand tour (T-Bone Burnett, Buddy Miller, Stuart Duncan, et al). I think the most other than that was $30 - or possibly less. I know I considered $60 to be astronomical. And yes, most of my (big venue) concert experiences were quite a while back. But Buzz's point about price escalation is accurate. The 'inflation' of ticket prices is completely absurd, and yes, as we know, ticket****** (in all it's forms) is just evil. There are just some choice, choice shows by up-and-coming artists, or those below the radar, who'll blow your socks off if given the chance. That said...………………...I don't really wanna judge those who can afford hundreds of dollars for a concert - but when tours/bands/venues/promoters can get away with that, it ruins it for the majority (imo). For some of you youngsters out there (if there are any), here's a bit of history: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/pearl-jam-sues-ticketmaster/ (I'm no fan of Pearl Jam, but I sure give them big props for trying to stop the monopoly.) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/arts/music/live-nation-ticketmaster.html https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8096339/pearl-jam-feud-ticketmaster-over-verified-fan-platform-tour Also...……...there are some rumors Amazon may be about to jump into the game. -------------------------------------------------- Meanwhile...………...last night...…..(see link below)……… Finally, I can't really imagine living that close to Red Rocks and not seeing over 100-200 shows during the last 37 years. (And notably...…...that venue was the only Beatles show during their U.S. tour that year that did not sell out.)

Link: bad news for at least one dinosaur

Date: Sun Sep 9 00:55:33 2018
User: cynthie
Message:
Yes, I have to agree that it’s almost criminal to live that close to Red Rocks without having been to a concert earlier. I had been to many concerts before moving to CO. When I first moved there, the concerts weren’t reserved seating and that turned me off. Not sure of my excuse when they switched to reserved seating. Perhaps I was too cheap, or maybe I just hate crowds. My daughter’s high school graduation was there. Not quite a concert, but it was a fun and beautiful venue for that.

Date: Sun Sep 9 02:45:30 2018
User: Sick@Tired2
Message:
My wife & I saw Jerry Lee Lewis and Crystal Gayle at a Sacramento suburb venue a week ago Friday. $99 a ticket for front row seats, center stage right. What a great show! Crystal Gayle hasn't really lost anything from her great voice, interacts so nicely with the audience, good backup musicians and vocals (her sister Peggy Sue Welch). Jerry Lee has lost most of his voice and could barely walk out to the stage, but his piano playing is still fabulous. Lots of legendary songs. We had a great time at a reasonable price.

Date: Sun Sep 9 07:49:59 2018
User: dernst52
Message:
Thanks to this discussion, I can be thankful that I'm hearing impaired. BTW......turns out Mom was right about that loud rock music!

Date: Thu Sep 20 15:57:19 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Expose on ticketmonster - more evil than we even knew. This doesn't affect me, but makes me burn with anger (not really that easy to do) at the greed of those involved - co-opting something joyous into a cash grab. This is the kind of thing that gives unrestrained capitalism a very bad name.

Link: evil, evil, evil

Date: Thu Sep 20 16:43:48 2018
User: outskirts
Message:
More evil - extorting $$ from the sick, dying, and desperate

Date: Thu Sep 20 17:06:07 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Agreed. Yet the same motivation. But yes, maybe worse in degree.

Date: Fri Sep 21 02:54:13 2018
User: outskirts
Message:
No maybe about it. One is a want. The other is a need.

Date: Fri Sep 21 09:37:19 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
True, but I'm talking about the (lack of) ethics, lack of a soul, and motivation of the perpetrators. People like that would cheat either the living, dying, or the dead, and not care about it.

Date: Fri Sep 21 13:12:14 2018
User: hotnurse
Message:
Again, TN, thanks for the reference to Ticketmonster. I always thought that there must be some insider trading going on there. Stay tuned to see where that takes us. Note about Def Leppard: I saw them in 1994 with a guy-friend. It was one of the most memorable concerts ever. I have never seen Journey and unless the ticket prices come WAY down I never will. I love them but not that much...

Date: Fri Sep 21 20:13:53 2018
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Just bought tickets to one of my favorite bands of late. $17.

Date: Sun Sep 30 11:20:55 2018
User: hotnurse
Message:
So, Buzz, what band and where? Just curious...

Date: Tue Nov 20 14:04:39 2018
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Last night, I picked up tickets for a concert at one of my favorite venues for two really interesting, up-and-coming bands: Soccer Mommy and and Hovvdy. Both get a lot of air time (depending on the air you're breathing) and have tons of talent. $12 per ticket. Just for giggles, I was scrolling through all my tickets from this year. Including Austin City Limits ($100 for one day including some ginormous names like David Byrne and Paul McCartney*), and I paid a heckuva lot less than $850 for more than 20 concerts. ================== *Full disclosure: McCartney was on the main stage at ACL, and I hung around for only 3 songs of his 90 minute set. He was so far away that when I extended my arm fully and raised my thumb, his figure on stage was still smaller than my thumb by about half. ================== From above, for hottie: Snail Mail at a smallish outdoor venue (probably 300 people).

Date: Mon May 20 21:41:19 2019
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Had to pay significantly more for Weyes Blood in Portland (ME) than Soccer Mommy. $14. It would be worth it at twice the price. ;)

Date: Mon May 27 11:17:19 2019
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Follow up from the Weyes Blood concert: Her music isn’t for everyone, but her style is one of my favorites: beautiful alto voice singing mostly depressing ballads. (As an example, she performed just one cover: the Beach Boy’s “God Only Knows” and took it from a light pop song into a gut wrenching song about loss.) The venue was a tiny thing — about 250 max — but nicely arranged. I arrived when the doors opened and stood next to the stage about 18 inches from her keyboard. Atypical of most concerts, the music was mixed to feature her voice, which was fine with me. I think I’ve attended 20 concerts so far this year, and paid $40 for the most expensive tickets. All of the music was amazing.

Link: “Seven Word”, Weyes Blood

Date: Mon May 27 18:29:31 2019
User: jamesblackburn-lynch
Message:
I strongly disagree that “God Only Knows” was a “light pop song” when on Pet Sounds.

Date: Tue May 28 08:06:32 2019
User: BuzzClik
Message:
jb-l -- My comment was in no way a knock on Brian Wilson, his genius, or his music. It was simply a statement of my perception of the sound.

Date: Wed Sep 11 11:12:54 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Dammit. Sports and music were SOOO good back when they were just sports and music. (And back when these kids would stay off my lawn!)

Link: more evil from ticketmonster/live nation

Date: Wed Sep 11 12:53:33 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
But as to “God Only Knows”, this 'documentary' gives some insight into how Brian worked. Yes, there is a "Part 1", but this one I like because it has the long instrumental sections included, and the isolated harmonies. Nice stuff that I suppose most here have already been exposed to one way or another. [Part 1, for those who want both:] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVUBpzlELOg

Link: Brian Wilson at work (part 2)

Date: Sun Oct 27 14:15:34 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
See jamesblackburn-lynch's and joeygray's comments from Sept. 3, 2018 above for context. I guess I *could* have put this in the "old music" thread, but that's more for actual music than old music stories, methinks. And...............I think it's the proper "time of the season" [good one, TN ;) ] for this story.

Link: Is it The Zombies......or some amateur imposters?

Date: Mon Dec 30 10:40:15 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Yeah, I guess fans have just been having it too easy...... “It is disturbing if Ticketmaster looks at the market and all it sees is an opportunity to raise prices and further entrench its monopoly.” "The Justice Department said in a release that Live Nation “repeatedly” violated a consent decree established when Live Nation and Ticketmaster merged that prohibited the company from withholding concerts from venues that don’t use Ticketmaster." ETC......

Link: Evil, evil, evil (imo)

Date: Mon Dec 30 13:31:08 2019
User: BuzzClik
Message:
I have used Ticketmaster and LiveNation to secure tickets to various shows at smallish venues. There were no obvious problems with gouging or inflated prices. And then I received notification from a mid-sized venue that they were hosting a Kamasi Washington concert (excellent jazz). I went to buy tickets the moment that I received the notice -- half the tickets had disappeared already. The tickets that remained were funneled by the venue through Ticketmaster for more than double the $30 price listed by the venue. Now, $30 is fine for an obscure jazz artist. But $72 is ridiculous. I scrounged around and found a single ticket from some off-the-wall website for about the original price. Yeah, it sounds like Ticketmaster should eat **** and expire.

Date: Wed Dec 30 21:40:44 2020
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Ok..........exactly 1 full year later..........let's add one more additional "evil". Isn't it about time to give this entity the corporate death penalty - as if it wasn't already? "A press release by federal prosecutors said Ticketmaster employees held a division-wide summit during which the stolen passwords were used to access the victim company's computers "as if that were an appropriate business tactic." "Ticketmaster used stolen information to gain an advantage over its competition, and then promoted the employees who broke the law."

Link: Evil, evil, evil, evil

Date: Fri Feb 5 09:03:49 2021
User: outskirts
Message:
O M G just now for fun I looked up the ELO concert I attended in the 70s Face The Music tour. I remembered before, during and after quite vividly! BUT!!! What slipped my mind was the opening act! It was Journey! And to this day I don't recall ever seeing Journey!!! Wore out my Face The Music T shirt! Forgot Journey!!!

Date: Fri Feb 5 09:11:13 2021
User: outskirts
Message:
It's true! But this is the woman who took a nap during Jethro Tull out of boredom.

Date: Fri Feb 5 12:02:36 2021
User: outskirts
Message:
Hmmmph. My bff and I were living in different towns. We met at a different town and dropped a car, then went to the concert in yet another town. Well she was late, with a story, or what I think now was a story, about hitting a dog and taking him to a vet. So that caused us to miss Journey!!! Now I remember!

Date: Fri Feb 5 12:05:24 2021
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:
Always nice to remember something you've forgotten why you don't remember. Or *that* you've forgotten why you don't remember. But then remembered it. It's easy to forget those things.


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