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Subject: Name the Variant
Date: Sun Dec 9 08:12:16 2018
User: MrFixit
Message:
I'm going to promote a new variant. What should it be? Name?
User: MrFixit
Message:
I'm going to promote a new variant. What should it be? Name?
Date: Sun Dec 9 09:41:07 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
A "new variant" would either be rediculously difficult, or VERY easy (like 6x11, or 7x10, or 8x9), imo. I don't think we need any new variants. You could, if you really want to, have some more "winnable" variants. Like, maybe, 12x0, 11x0, 10x0, 9x1,...
User: TitanicTony
Message:
A "new variant" would either be rediculously difficult, or VERY easy (like 6x11, or 7x10, or 8x9), imo. I don't think we need any new variants. You could, if you really want to, have some more "winnable" variants. Like, maybe, 12x0, 11x0, 10x0, 9x1,...
Date: Sun Dec 9 10:31:11 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Then it wouldn't be "new", it would be "promote one of the existing variants", imo.
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Then it wouldn't be "new", it would be "promote one of the existing variants", imo.
Date: Sun Dec 9 10:56:09 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I think he means rotating to a new "promotion". He just "promoted" the 7x4 with his MOTF about "Slurpees". More specific would be "promote another variant". I think he wants a new cute name for one that doesn't already have one. Just my opinion, of course. 11x0 - "Shady Baker's Dozen"? 4x8 - "Dry Wall"? (I know, that's terrible and not a real suggestion; just making an example.)
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I think he means rotating to a new "promotion". He just "promoted" the 7x4 with his MOTF about "Slurpees". More specific would be "promote another variant". I think he wants a new cute name for one that doesn't already have one. Just my opinion, of course. 11x0 - "Shady Baker's Dozen"? 4x8 - "Dry Wall"? (I know, that's terrible and not a real suggestion; just making an example.)
Date: Sun Dec 9 11:34:52 2018
User: ElGuapo
Message:
The dry wall idea makes me think of 5x7 "portraits." But then 5x7 is probably too difficult a variant to promote. They're about 85% winnable it would seem from the all time list. If 5x7 is a portrait, mayby 7x5 is "landscape"? The 7x5 is a variant that doesn't get played enough in my opinion--almost as easy as 8x4 but often requires more interesting solutions. If we could go back in time to the beginning of freecell I think I would have liked to see 7x5 be the "standard" variant.
User: ElGuapo
Message:
The dry wall idea makes me think of 5x7 "portraits." But then 5x7 is probably too difficult a variant to promote. They're about 85% winnable it would seem from the all time list. If 5x7 is a portrait, mayby 7x5 is "landscape"? The 7x5 is a variant that doesn't get played enough in my opinion--almost as easy as 8x4 but often requires more interesting solutions. If we could go back in time to the beginning of freecell I think I would have liked to see 7x5 be the "standard" variant.
Date: Sun Dec 9 11:34:55 2018
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Dry Wall? Well, okay: He could establish an entire construction-based subset: 4x8 -- Dry Wall 4x4 -- Deck Post 4x10 -- Roofing Sheet 8x8 -- Floor Tile 10x2 -- Rafters 8x2 -- Joists 7x9 -- Walk-in Closet 6x8 -- Door Frame 4x4 -- Bathroom Ceramic 8x3 -- Wall Block
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Dry Wall? Well, okay: He could establish an entire construction-based subset: 4x8 -- Dry Wall 4x4 -- Deck Post 4x10 -- Roofing Sheet 8x8 -- Floor Tile 10x2 -- Rafters 8x2 -- Joists 7x9 -- Walk-in Closet 6x8 -- Door Frame 4x4 -- Bathroom Ceramic 8x3 -- Wall Block
Date: Sun Dec 9 11:53:25 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
That's not "lumber" - that's a forest! I almost went down that same road as you, Buzz, buy not that far. Completely agree, ElGuapo. And I think that's a great suggestion all around, name included.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
That's not "lumber" - that's a forest! I almost went down that same road as you, Buzz, buy not that far. Completely agree, ElGuapo. And I think that's a great suggestion all around, name included.
Date: Sun Dec 9 12:35:12 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
LOL indeed. I almost used that word! And I tried out several others, but settled on "shady", knowing it's not really the ideal one.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
LOL indeed. I almost used that word! And I tried out several others, but settled on "shady", knowing it's not really the ideal one.
Date: Sun Dec 9 18:49:23 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Several years ago, we went thru this same discussion, and mrbob's 10x1 seemed to have the most support. I can't remember the specifics of name proposals, but I do believe "mrbob" was always a key ingredient of the suggestions. That 'movement' was player-generated as opposed to this one, so it (obviously) never became accepted canon.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Several years ago, we went thru this same discussion, and mrbob's 10x1 seemed to have the most support. I can't remember the specifics of name proposals, but I do believe "mrbob" was always a key ingredient of the suggestions. That 'movement' was player-generated as opposed to this one, so it (obviously) never became accepted canon.
Date: Sun Dec 9 18:58:59 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:
We speak of mrbob and his variant.....
Link: earlier player-driven movement
User: TNmountainman
Message:
We speak of mrbob and his variant.....
Link: earlier player-driven movement
Date: Sun Dec 9 22:02:39 2018
User: MrFixit
Message:
Yeah, I vaguely remember the mrbob discussion. I'd like to pick something accessible like the 8x4, not a no-brainer like the 9x5 and 10x6 which, so far as I can tell, are just strangely popular mouse clicking exercises. Do you think 10x1 are winnable but us normal folks? I'll try some tonight. I was kinda liking the 9x3 but I'll check out 7x5 too. Denny
User: MrFixit
Message:
Yeah, I vaguely remember the mrbob discussion. I'd like to pick something accessible like the 8x4, not a no-brainer like the 9x5 and 10x6 which, so far as I can tell, are just strangely popular mouse clicking exercises. Do you think 10x1 are winnable but us normal folks? I'll try some tonight. I was kinda liking the 9x3 but I'll check out 7x5 too. Denny
Date: Mon Dec 10 02:32:47 2018
User: ElGuapo
Message:
The 7x5 is basically right in between Slurpee and Standard in terms of difficulty, and unlike Slurpee you are very unlikely to hit an unwinnable game. Here's a list of variants and their all-time level 10 win percentage, if the idea is to pick something a little more challenging than 8x4. 8x4 91.14% 6x8 89.91% 10x2 86.01% 11x1 83.58% 9x3 77.01% 6x7 67.75% 7x5 62.11% 10x1 42.95% 7x4 32.79%
User: ElGuapo
Message:
The 7x5 is basically right in between Slurpee and Standard in terms of difficulty, and unlike Slurpee you are very unlikely to hit an unwinnable game. Here's a list of variants and their all-time level 10 win percentage, if the idea is to pick something a little more challenging than 8x4. 8x4 91.14% 6x8 89.91% 10x2 86.01% 11x1 83.58% 9x3 77.01% 6x7 67.75% 7x5 62.11% 10x1 42.95% 7x4 32.79%
Date: Mon Dec 10 03:59:21 2018
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Maybe you can choose more than 1!?? I like the 10x1 (mrbob) suggestion!
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Maybe you can choose more than 1!?? I like the 10x1 (mrbob) suggestion!
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