Subject: "Deceived me into thinking I had something to protect...."
Date: Fri Dec 18 01:17:43 2009
User: TNmountainman
Message:Crimson flames tied through my ears
Rollin' high and mighty traps
Pounced with fire on flaming roads
Using ideas as my maps
"We'll meet on edges, soon," said I
Proud 'neath heated brow
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
"Rip down all hate," I screamed
Lies that life is black and white
Spoke from my skull I dreamed.
Romantic flanks of musketeers
Foundationed deep somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
Girls faces formed the forward path
from phoney jealousy
To memorizing politics
of ancient history.
Flung down by corpse evangelists
Unthought of, though, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
A self-ordained professor's tongue
Too serious to fool
Spouted out that liberty
Is just equality in school.
"Equality," I spoke the word
As if a wedding vow
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
In a soldiers stance, I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I'd become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
My sisters fled by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now
Date: Fri Dec 18 07:28:00 2009
User: BuzzClik
Message:The Byrds cover of the Dylan masterpiece still penetrates to the marrow.
Are we celebrating something special, or just settling in with a truly great song?
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:17:11 2009
User: TNmountainman
Message:Doesn't it, though..........
That's a really great question, too. The quixotic(?) response/answer is that I don't quite know.....
Link: All together now...............
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:20:11 2009
User: TNmountainman
Message:........but it's somehow mesmerizing to feel the weight that this can still carry 45 years on..........
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:37:19 2009
User: Songcutter
Message:Right there - that's our generation - that's who we are.
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:39:54 2009
User: BuzzClik
Message:Nice collaboration video.
My pop idol identification skills are always lacking: Whose the blonde guy with his hair parted down the middle to the right of Harrison at 3:51? And who's the big guy in the black and white printed shirt behind Dylan at 3:09?
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:46:00 2009
User: Songcutter
Message:The blonde guitar player is G.E. Smith. He used to run the Saturday Night Live Band and he was Dylan's lead player. Don't know the other guy.
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:52:28 2009
User: BuzzClik
Message:GE Smith. Of course. He was so familiar but I couldn't place him.
The big guy looks like Stephen Segal; I kept waiting for him to start beating the crap out of the band.
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:55:02 2009
User: TNmountainman
Message:The nearly ubiquitous Steve Cropper; and that's Duck Dunn on bass, of course......
Smith did the arrangement for this song; don't know about the whole shindig. There's some rehearsal footage for this song on youtube.
Date: Fri Dec 18 10:00:11 2009
User: TNmountainman
Message:Smith was married to Gilda Radner before she got with Gene Wilder; also used to be the guitarist for Hall & Oates, if I remember correctly......
He's played with LOTS of people over the years......
Date: Fri Dec 18 10:25:36 2009
User: d164280
Message:I love the old Dylan stuff, and this one is one of my favorites.
Date: Fri Dec 18 10:43:27 2009
User: TNmountainman
Message:Wanna feel inadequate? The dude was 22 or 23 when he wrote that.....
Date: Fri Dec 18 11:11:36 2009
User: GoodOlMike
Message:So much talent and so much imagination for too brief a time
Date: Fri Dec 18 12:54:29 2009
User: hotnurse
Message:Thanks for the great video clip TN; so *that's* the Cropper that my son played on stage with!!!
Date: Fri Dec 18 14:04:47 2009
User: StarGazer
Message:Love the song. And I love Dylan's talent. But the man can't sing.
My husband loves Dylan so long road trips are often spent listening to Dylan. I love all of his songs but prefer others to sing them.
Just my humble opinion.
BTW thanks for the Video. It was cool to see all of that talent on one stage.
SG
Date: Fri Dec 18 14:06:58 2009
User: Dr.Xeena
Message:CAN'T SING??????????????????
Don't get me started.
Date: Fri Dec 18 14:09:40 2009
User: Dr.Xeena
Message:And GoodOlMike, you're not getting off that easily....
TOO BRIEF A TIME??????????
Well, time is relative, but COME ON.
Date: Fri Dec 18 15:31:24 2009
User: GoodOlMike
Message:And time with relatives can go on forever...
Date: Fri Dec 18 19:06:10 2009
User: StarGazer
Message:Dr.Xeena,
If you feel Dylan can sing you ride in a car listening to him non stop for 2 days. I bet you will see my way then.
SG
Date: Sat Dec 19 06:24:51 2009
User: chrissie8madrid
Message:I think Leonard Cohen might be worse...
Date: Sun May 13 22:10:49 2012
User: TNmountainman
Message:Donald "Duck" Dunn passed away today...
Since your son jammed with Cropper, hotnurse, he likely jammed with Dunn, too.
Date: Mon May 14 08:03:43 2012
User: hotnurse
Message:TN, he has not jammed with Duck, but knows a lot about him. The Cropper jam was a few yrs ago when they (Right On) played for a fund raiser at the Kentucky Derby; then it was only for 3 songs, but a lifetime memory for him.
Same with Smokey, a few songs when they played at the Inauguration Ball for Obama and they shared the stage with Smokey. Both once in a life time experiences.
Date: Mon May 14 10:12:22 2012
User: xeena
Message:Second that Emotion, My Girl, and Tracks of my Tears with Smokey at the Ball. Found them all at youtube.
Not bad, Right On.
Now hotty, why would you think it won't happen again???
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nvbltQTk8
Date: Tue May 15 16:16:13 2012
User: hotnurse
Message:xeena, chances are it won't but I'm sure that there are some great moments in his career yet to come. They have recently been invited to go to Vegas by their booking agent to promote and book their 80's show/band at area hotels. Hopefully they come back with a contract. Not really the big time they have dreamed about but it's sure a step up from playing bars and clubs on the east coast. Not many musicians get this far on luck alone.
Date: Thu Oct 13 09:01:05 2016
User: TNmountainman
Message:I guess this thread is about the best place for this....
(In related news, it appears I've been skipped over yet again - for ALL of them.)
(In further related news, are you all aware that there really *isn't* an Nobel Prize for Economics, despite what the press says?)
Link: Dylan awarded Nobel Prize for Literature
Date: Thu Oct 13 11:16:54 2016
User: BuzzClik
Message:Well deserved. The committee went a different direction with this award.
Date: Sat Oct 15 17:03:08 2016
User: Kaos
Message:I first heard about this catching a few minutes of the Mike and Mike sports talk show on ESPN so I wasn't sure if they were just joking or speculating or if it was real. But, the next day a picture of Bob was on the cover of the Wall Street Journal so I knew it had to be true. The WSJ had a number of good articles on Dylan's win (was it a snub to real writers? should some other lyricist have gotten there first? should any songwriter ever get the award? should Dylan have won sooner?). Apparently, this has been under discussion for at least two decades as one of the WSJ articles cited a professor of English who's been nominating Dylan since 1996.
Date: Sat Oct 15 22:41:23 2016
User: TNmountainman
Message:I put this question to a friend of mine who is chair of the English Dept. at a local university, almost immediately after I posted the news here. She said she was "annoyed" by it, because: a) it told her the Nobel committee no longer values "book culture" they way they once did, and b) " they do not value contemporary novelists, poets and playwrights in American and elsewhere the way they once did". Further adding that the committee a few years back stated that American literature "wasn't global" - which she considers a myth. And to be clear, she likes Dylan.
While I can see actually see both those points, even being the left-brained creature I am, I tend to think Dylan has deserved it for a long time. Certainly his impact on both prose and poetry has been greater (imo) than many, or most Nobel laureates. Not that that is enough in and of itself, but it carries weight, methinks. And no, no other lyricist should have gotten it first. No one else real close, not even Leonard Cohen, although I could see an argument for that, too. I haven't completely examined all angles of this, nor all other lyricists, so that's sort of off-the-cuff, but not completely so.
Date: Wed Oct 19 00:30:25 2016
User: Kaos
Message:Wow, interesting feedback TN. If we ever meet in your neck of the woods, this would be a great topic to discuss further with your friend about what exactly she means by "book culture". Is she looking to nominate Bill O'Reilly for "Killing Jesus" or is she looking to nominate David Foster Wallace for "Infinite Jest" or is she looking to nominate someone else as obscure as half of the Noble Prize in Literature going back since 1901?
Literature has to be the most ridiculous Noble Prize on the books looking back at past winners. From 1901 to 1906 no one I've ever heard of - anyone else? Get Mark Twain in there. He died (penniless) in 1910. If any American deserves a Noble prize in Literature, Samuel is first on the (list followed by DFW)
Link: list of literature winners
Date: Mon Oct 31 11:07:24 2016
User: TNmountainman
Message:Don't know if this link will work or not. Often the "NY Times" frustrates with accessibility. In case it doesn't work, perhaps the title of the article (below) can be searched and found otherwise. I find it noteworthy that the "Times" story almost directly quotes my friend:
"There is a good deal of poetic justice in this turn of events. For almost a quarter of a century, ever since Toni Morrison won the Nobel in 1993, the Nobel committee acted as if American literature did not exist — and now an American is acting as if the Nobel committee doesn’t exist. Giving the award to Mr. Dylan was an insult to all the great American novelists and poets who are frequently proposed as candidates for the prize. The all-but-explicit message was that American literature, as traditionally defined, was simply not good enough. This is an absurd notion, but one that the Swedes have embraced: In 2008, the Academy’s permanent secretary, Horace Engdahl, declared that American writers “don’t really participate in the big dialogue of literature” and are limited by that “ignorance.”
Link: "The Meaning of Bob Dylan's Silence"
Date: Fri Dec 16 11:55:34 2016
User: BuzzClik
Message:"The next day, Smith was greeted by a number of Nobel scientists who commended her on her performance. They said her performance 'seemed a metaphor for our own struggles,' adding that she continued to receive words of kindness throughout the day."
Date: Fri Dec 16 12:20:09 2016
User: TNmountainman
Message:Yeah, I know. And I agree. I sort of think more powerful than if Dylan had done it himself.
Date: Mon Dec 19 08:07:45 2016
User: wildcard
Message:Was talking to a lady perhaps a little older than myself, after the award, before Dylan's response. I have been playing Dylan music myself since age 10, starting with ukelele. So maybe you can imagine my perplexity when she asks me "Who is Bob Dylan?". Then at a later date she confided in me that she voted for the trumper. Well, that explains it!
PEOPLE!!!
Date: Mon Dec 19 11:42:50 2016
User: TNmountainman
Message:That (the first thing) may be one of the more incredible things I've ever read on this board - and there have been many many incredible things on here. But yet that correlation is *not* surprising.
Date: Mon Dec 19 15:32:15 2016
User: wildcard
Message:She told me the only music she listens to is religious. I doubt she knows BD has written much gospel music that has become mainstream gospel.
Date: Tue Dec 20 11:40:40 2016
User: wildcard
Message:.OOPS! I brought up politics AND religion.
Date: Tue Dec 20 11:45:56 2016
User: wildcard
Message:Pssssst, TN. Whenever someone on fb during a political discussion, becomes mystifying, usually two words explains it. "Trump supporter". Lol
Date: Wed Mar 29 16:25:38 2017
User: ginxie
Message: thank you for writing the words. I am the closed captionkid now and really appreciate the power of Dylan. He came across with his quote singing better than anyone else could. thanks tn for redoing the post and all of you for just being yourselves. this is what I miss reading all of you sincerely Ginx
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