Subject: I'm going to try this again: Tim Tebow
Date: Thu Dec 29 07:24:10 2011
User: PatsFan
Message:You folks are watching the wrong channels! I just watched a 15 min segment about Tebow (and Orton) and it was 100% about football!
Date: Thu Dec 29 10:47:29 2011
User: BuzzClik
Message:Yes, ESPN is generally staying on subject. However, yesterday they referenced a poll similar to the one I discussed about living next to Tebow. It was more generic ("Would you like to live next door to a celebrity?"). Most people had no desire to live next door to a celebrity, but if they had to choose one celebrity they'd live to move next to, it would be Tebow. The big losers in that poll was the entire cast from Jersey Shores.
Date: Thu Dec 29 12:14:19 2011
User: WarriorSheep
Message:I wouldn't say BM is a libertarian at all.
Date: Thu Dec 29 15:38:37 2011
User: WarriorSheep
Message:Reading Washpost: What's in, What's out 2012:
"OUT: Tebowing. IN: Hunting the God particle. (Take a knee, Tim. Scientists are nearing the end zone of the universe.)"
Date: Wed Jan 11 13:03:29 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:I heard a very honest comment from an ESPN radio talking head. Granted, Colin Cowherd is one of the dumbest humans on the planet, but he at least is honest. He stated that just about every sports television program gets huge ratings every Monday after a Denver win, especially those programs where the host has declared his undying love for Tim Tebow. "Sports commentators make a lot of money singing the praises and spreading the hype for Tim Tebow."
Do you recall when Pope John Paul made a tour through the western US about 15 years ago? Various entrepreneurs were cashing in on the Pope's visit in various ways. (My favorite was a Pope John Paul lawn sprinkler. Irrigating your lawn with holy water? Dunno). The Tebow phenomenon reminds me of that -- there's money to be made. Cash in.
Date: Wed Jan 11 13:33:27 2012
User: firenze
Message:I kind of like the idea of a man of accomplishments humbling himself before his God in a very public forum. It provides an alternative image to the braggadocio displayed by most NFL players after the most minor of deeds.
Date: Wed Jan 11 14:16:29 2012
User: Snowguy
Message:It is interesting that he could have thrown for any number of yards from less than 200 to 400 or more. But he got exactly 316, with a last-second 80-yard pass to win the game.
And, he could have completed 8 or 9 passes or 11 or 12 or more. But he completed 10.
The two facts taken together, to create (no pun intended) the third one, would certainly be at the very least a statistical anomaly, and at most... who knows?
Date: Wed Jan 11 14:19:23 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:I understand what you are saying, firenze, and I find the chest thumping, dancing, flexing, etc to be ridiculously immature. "Act like you've done it before" is my reaction.
On the other hand, I find Tebow's never-ending quest to get camera time for his posturing to only slightly more palatable and a cut of the same cloth. I guess I was raised to believe that one's relationship with God is personal and private, so I bristle when I see Tebow actively seek open spaces with clear camera shots for his precious moments.
Date: Wed Jan 11 15:12:03 2012
User: xeena
Message:From what I hear, Tebow is from FL and was a Gator. I live just outside of Gville Fl, home of the Gators. I have so successfully managed to stay so far out of the football loop for so long, that yesterday was the very first time I saw him do his prayer thing in the end zone after that play. Wow! It's cute!
Yeah, we're not all football freaks here.
Date: Wed Jan 11 15:14:36 2012
User: xeena
Message:Oh, and is that Tebowing? lol
Date: Wed Jan 11 16:50:10 2012
User: Katzby
Message:I don't think we can say he does it for the camera if he was doing it before they bothered putting cameras on him. Seems like he just is doing what he's always done, and now the cameras choose to focus on him. Or should he be intimidated into stopping, just because of all the hype & chatter? I thought lots of players bent a knee or pointed to heaven or something like that. (I don't watch a lot of sports, so I could be off here.) Why is Tebow's gesture making such huge waves?
Date: Wed Jan 11 17:40:21 2012
User: xeena
Message:Well I had to break down and read the boy's bio and it is fascinating. Was home schooled by his mother on a farm in Duval County... played for Trinity in Jacksonville for one season, then moved into an apartment with his mother in neighboring St. Johns County so he could play at a Ponte Vedre school. Then he went to UF, won Heisman Trophy, and went to Denver to play pro where his scoring and stuff is even more outstanding than the outstanding work he did at UF. Amazing. I can see why he's so fascinating.
Date: Wed Jan 11 18:31:51 2012
User: PatsFan
Message:I'm with Firenze on this one, and Buzz to an extent.
I don't know if TT is posturing or not, but understand the personal relationship with God. I've said before, New Englanders are pretty private about religion, so displays aren't quite as "displayful" as TT's. I've attended charasmatic churches before and felt that was outside my comfort zone... this is up there.
MUCH prefer that over the rest of the showboating! I like the comment you said, Buzz, act like you've done this before! LOL
But, as much as it's different than what I'm used to/comfortable with, good for him for staying true to himself. And yes, Xeena, he is a Gator. I think it was only when he got to the NFL that people made a federal case out of his "Tebowing". I'm sure he did his sideline prayers in FL, but I don't recall seeing them, though I admit I haven't seen too much Gator ball.
Date: Wed Jan 11 18:45:44 2012
User: xeena
Message:It's normal for him because his father is a preacher and missionary and his mother taught him Christianity along with home schooling him and his older sibs, I believe he is the youngest of 5, just read part of his bio awhile ago. He never actually went to HS, so that is fascinating too.
Date: Sat Jan 14 22:12:03 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:I am "enjoying" a working weekend away from home (blah); fortunately, my hotel room is quite nice.
Anyway, I was sitting in my room watching the Pats-Broncos game with the sound down -- that's the way I watch tv. Early in the game, a commercial pops up, and some kid starts talking about John 3:16, and there's other chatter going on with a bunch of nice looking kids. At the end of the ad, we are informed that the commercial was sponsored by Focus on the Family. That was a first for me -- never saw a commercial like that during football. I can only assume that they were cashing in on the Tebow phenomenon.
Considering how the game is going, it must suck to be them.
Link: Jimmy Fallon, "Tebowie"
Date: Sat Jan 14 23:48:09 2012
User: tempestaNera
Message:Funny, I was thinking the same thing. Something about the commercial just didn't fit. Cars, beer, cars, insurance, more cars and then reciting from the Bible. The organization must have dropped beaucoup bucks on a nationwide spot like that. In my opinion, it would have been a more persuasive message had it aired during the Denver game last week just before the overtime period started :)
Link: Focus on the Family
Date: Sun Jan 15 07:18:26 2012
User: Snowguy
Message:I didn't notice that one. Is it possible they did some local spots?
Date: Sun Jan 15 08:33:10 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:Snowy, I am in Philly this weekend.
Date: Sun Jan 15 09:42:07 2012
User: xeena
Message:I actually tuned into the game (!!!) in the second quarter and within a few minutes saw that ad. Since I *never* watch football, I figured it was a regular thing, maybe in Tebow games. I have some theories of my own which I won't air here, about using young children in commercials.
But it seemed to me there was more ad time than game time. yuck.
Date: Sun Jan 15 09:48:03 2012
User: TNmountainman
Message:....which is why God made remote controls...
Date: Sun Jan 15 11:07:02 2012
User: PatsFan
Message:commercials = fridge runs!
I missed the commercial.
Date: Wed Jan 18 14:00:58 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:If any of you were watching the New England/Denver game, you may have noticed that Tebow was hit very hard in the third quarter. After a sack on third down, he walked in a measured fashion very much favoring his arm; at the time, I suspected that he had damaged his collar bone or hurt his shoulder. After commercial, the network replayed the play and highlighted his gimpiness.
We now find that it was not his shoulder or clavicle but an injury to his ribs. This is similar to the injury to Tony Romo earlier in the season.
No one can accuse Tebow of not being tough.
Link: ouch
Date: Sun Jan 22 10:05:56 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:Tebowing is and has been quite popular. I've posted a few examples in the pictures section. Surely, there are more examples.
Link: Generations of tebowing
Date: Sat Feb 18 12:55:35 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:You know how Tebow likes to put citations to Bible versus in his eyeblack? I'd like him -- dare him? -- to put this one under his eyes: Matthew 6:5.
Date: Sat Feb 18 13:14:37 2012
User: TNmountainman
Message:I sorta agree, but that's also balanced by 1 Thessalonians 5:17-18. I think the point of the verse you noted is to not be ostentatious and make a spectacle of it. It's a matter of divided opinion (obviously) whether Tebowing is that or not. In the context of his overall persona, I come down on the side of him *not* being ostentatious......as if my opinion mattered.
Date: Sat Feb 18 13:45:58 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:He seems to be soft spoken and not a self promoter, I agree. But, he also used to reserve his "tebowing" stance for when he was in the middle of a crowd of players on the sideline. With the Broncos, he started isolating himself on the sideline, and then he started doing it on the field.
Not that my opinion matters, either. I would never by a 15 jersey if he tebowed or not. Just not a fan -- could you tell?
Date: Sat Feb 18 14:01:16 2012
User: TNmountainman
Message:I caught just a glimpse peeking through a tiny crack in your steely demeanor.
Date: Tue Feb 21 17:50:00 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:Brady Quinn is obviously a big fan of freecell.net and a reader of my awesome insights:
Quinn was recently interviewed by GQ magazine about how cool it must be to be in the same vicinity as Tim Tebow, and this was Quinn's reply: "If you look at it as a whole, there’s a lot of things that just don’t seem very humble to me. When I get that opportunity, I’ll continue to lead not necessarily by trying to get in front of the camera and praying but by praying with my teammates, you know?"
Geez, Quinn. Think for yourself. Or at least give a little attribution.
Link: meh
Date: Tue Feb 21 18:00:00 2012
User: firenzes_mother
Message:Ok, you found me out. I am Brady Quinn.
Date: Wed Feb 22 01:18:50 2012
User: TNmountainman
Message:I don't think Quinn comes across too well in that article. Maybe the piece was written in a slanted manner, but it gives the impression he's a bit of a whiner.
Date: Wed Feb 22 09:22:23 2012
User: firenzes_mother
Message:Ok, then I am not Brady Quinn.
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:32:00 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:Tebow's roller-coaster ride continues. At the moment, he's experiencing a high-speed plunge:
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"SI POLL: TEBOW MOST OVERRATED
"FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Tim Tebow's time on the bench has changed the perception of him among his peers.
"Five months after being named one of the top 100 players in the NFL, the New York Jets' backup quarterback was voted the most overrated player in the league -- in a landslide -- based on a Sports Illustrated poll released this week.
"A total of 180 players voted in the survey, with 34 percent naming Tebow. How's this for a twist? Jets starter Mark Sanchez finished tied for second, receiving 8 percent of the votes. Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo also got 8 percent.
"At least Tebow can say he's ahead of Sanchez in one category."
(more at link below)
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The article isn't nearly as entertaining as Steven A. Smith's rant on Skip Bayless.
Link: ESPN article: Overrated NFL players
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:41:57 2012
User: firenzes_mother
Message:Whatever happened to Brady Quinn?
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:54:27 2012
User: joeygray
Message:I think he's starting for Kansas City now, they benched that guy who made a mint being Tom Brady's backup for one year.
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:56:23 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:If you click on the video at the link, you will see that Brady Quinn now sits prominently as the tenth least liked player among his NFL peers.
Date: Wed Dec 19 09:31:31 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:The Tim Tebow Express was certainly put on the wrong track when he decided to go to the NY Jets. The Jets are horrible, and despite Mark Sanchez being arguable the worst quarterback of his generation, Tebow continues to ride the bench. Worse, now that the Jets have decided to make a change, third stringer Greg McElroy will be the starter and Tebow stays on the bench.
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CFL Could Be the Key to Tebow’s Quarterback Salvation
Now that the New York Jets have benched Mark Sanchez, passed Tim Tebow by, and decided to go with second-year, seventh-round quarterback Greg McElroy as their short-term answer at the position, one must wonder what Tebow's future might be as an NFL passer. Under offensive coordinator Mike McCoy in Denver in 2011, Tebow was the beneficiary of a structure that worked -- Denver's coaching staff brilliantly welded the option concepts Tebow learned at Florida with just enough of an NFL passing tree to make it work.
When the New York Jets traded for Tebow in March, the marriage was doomed from the start -- head coach Rex Ryan and offensive coordinator Tony Sparano insisted that they had plans for Tebow, but they clearly didn't. Now, according to more than one report, Tebow feels that the Jets misled him -- perhaps their only intention was to use him as a publicity stunt -- and if McElroy starts the last two games of the 2012 season, Tebow very well could ask for a trade or his outright release.
Of course, he'd then need another NFL team willing and able to deal with his severe limitations as an NFL-level passer, while dealing with the circus that envelops him. Tebow, for his part, will have to be cognizant of the fact that other NFL teams (hello, Jacksonville Jaguars) would be perfectly willing to throw him on their roster as a seat-filling mascot, with nary a thought to his professional development.
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Nasty business. Prayers might be in order. Take a knee!
Link: Tebow - Yahoo Sports
Date: Wed Dec 19 14:31:31 2012
User: joeygray
Message:He didn't exactly 'decide' to go there, the Broncos traded him. He was not in a position to ask for guarantees about how they would use him. Of course it's true that he did ask, and they did mislead him...
Thing is, I think you *could* build a team around a Tebow-quarterbacked offense that could win. Denver showed how last year, and I think they would still be doing it this year, perhaps even more successfully, if they hadn't struck the consolation prize in the Peyton anomaly. But Tebow as a backup quarterback, that's never going to work. He's just not plug-and-play compatible.
Date: Wed Dec 19 15:54:07 2012
User: BuzzClik
Message:Peyton Manning as a "consolation prize" in the context of Tim Tebow? Oh, my!
I fully agree that Tebow's role in NY is ridiculous. He very much needs to find a team willing to invest the effort to construct an offense that fits his talents, just as they did in Denver.
Date: Wed Dec 19 16:19:33 2012
User: joeygray
Message:In the Peyton Manning anomaly, Andrew Luck was the grand prize. Peyton was the consolation prize. For this year, of course, since the Broncos' giant gamble paid off, the consolation prize pays out better than the grand does. But look again in 5 years.
Tebow was a casualty of the anomaly. Denver was probably the perfect place for him.
Date: Wed Dec 19 16:20:28 2012
User: TNmountainman
Message:I agree with pretty much all you guys think. I would hate to see him go to the CFL, but perhaps he could be a real star there. Think back to Bobby Douglas. Maybe Tebow has a little bit more true 'talent' then Douglas did - and then again maybe not so much. Those Bears teams weren't spectacular, after all. Douglas was sandwiched in between the Sayers and Sweetness eras, as I recall, and so never had enough complementary players around him.
But anyway - yes, I think there *could* be some team and offensive coordinator somewhere in the NFL that could make a reasonable go with him. However, in an analogous way that NBA teams adapted to Linsanity last year, I think NFL teams would figure out how to minimize the semi-unique things Tebow brings to the table. I actually hope he finds a suitable home, but ultimately, I think in the NFL, the team upside would be limited with him as starting QB. Maybe something like 10-6 or 11-5 in a weaker division as a good scenario. And there are many NFL team who would love to get to that level, as we know.
Date: Wed Dec 19 16:44:39 2012
User: mrbuck
Message:I could see him as a backup to Cam Newton in North Carolina.
mrbuck
Date: Wed Dec 19 16:57:01 2012
User: TNmountainman
Message:How 'bout as a closer for the Nats?
Date: Wed Dec 19 17:26:18 2012
User: mrbuck
Message:They have two at the moment. Could use some left handed help out of the bullpen.
mrbuck
Date: Mon Mar 18 20:54:11 2013
User: BuzzClik
Message:Tebow just got an offer from the arena football league. It might not be a bad idea. He could use the opportunity to develop his quarterbacking skills, not unlike Kurt Warner.
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With NFL future uncertain, Tim Tebow will always have a home in the Arena Football League
Look, we can all agree that the Tim Tebow Experiment in New York has been a catastrophic misfire; to call it a dumpster fire would be to denigrate the sublime beauty (and scent) of dumpster fires. Will Tebow remain a Jet? Will he get dealt or cut? Who knows, but we do know this: Tebow does have a job waiting for him in the Arena Football League.
The Orlando Sentinel's Mike Bianchi aired the idea of Tebow playing in the Arena League in one of those poking-the-trolls columns, but in the course of that, he got a quote from Orlando Predators owner Brett Bouchy. And Bouchy invoked an impressive name in making the case for Tebow joining the video game-turned-real league:
"Tim would certainly want to first exhaust his opportunities in the NFL, but we'd love to have him," Bouchy said. "I think he would definitely improve as a quarterback in our league. Kurt Warner told me once that when he got back to the NFL after playing in the Arena League, the NFL game was like slow motion. Everything in the Arena League is just so much faster and quicker and predicated on accuracy. Whenever Tim is willing, we have a contract waiting for him to sign."
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Link: story
Date: Sat Jun 1 08:32:54 2013
User: BuzzClik
Message:More on the Tebow plunge:
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Conflicting reports on Tim Tebow’s NFL future
Tim Tebow was released by the New York Jets more than one month ago and there are conflicting reports regarding the former Heisman Trophy winner's future in the NFL. According to ESPN senior writer Dave Fleming, Tebow's camp believes the 2010 first-round pick out of Florida is done in the NFL. From ESPN the Magazine's June 10 "Taboo" issue:
"Even now, after Tebow cleared waivers unclaimed and with members of his camp privately admitting that his NFL run is probably over, the football world remains as divided as ever over him."
It is true that, much to the chagrin of Chuck Norris, Tebow has not generated any interest from the NFL over the last month, but Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network counters that Tebow "is not giving it up", a reliable report which Mike Garafolo of The USA Today has seconded. Fleming highlights one reason for why Tebow remains a free agent.
"When the Broncos defense was on the field, offensive coaches would often tell Tebow the first series of plays they wanted to run when the team got the ball back. Tebow would nod, and they'd separate. And then, invariably, a short while later he'd ask for the information again. Sometimes this ritual would repeat right up until Tebow had to duck into the huddle and call the play. As a result, despite starting only 11 games in 2011, Tebow was flagged for delay of game an NFL-high seven times. Worse still was the fact that, according to scouts, Tebow almost never audibled because he struggled to quickly and properly read defenses. And of all the deadly sins Tebow committed against quarterbacking, this was the worst: lacking the self-awareness to recognize and fix these shortcomings. Maybe the most shocking part of Tebowmania isn't that he has been cast out of the NFL after just three years but that he lasted as long as he did."
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Ouch.
Link: story
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