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Subject: The Olympics we're missing...
Date: Mon Aug 6 02:22:59 2012
User: TNmountainman
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I could have added this onto the "*This* Olympics opening ceremony" thread, but thought this might get lost within that. But, finally, I *have* now heard two interviews with non-American winners of track events: Mohamed Farah (British - 10,000 metres), followed by an interview with his training partner and runner-up, Galen Rupp (American). Then tonight, they interviewed Bolt after his win. [Note that both these non-U.S. winners just happen to speak English, too.] There may have been others, but it doesn't change my earlier point in the other thread.
Link: As Paul Harvey said: "And now, the rest of the story"..
User: TNmountainman
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I could have added this onto the "*This* Olympics opening ceremony" thread, but thought this might get lost within that. But, finally, I *have* now heard two interviews with non-American winners of track events: Mohamed Farah (British - 10,000 metres), followed by an interview with his training partner and runner-up, Galen Rupp (American). Then tonight, they interviewed Bolt after his win. [Note that both these non-U.S. winners just happen to speak English, too.] There may have been others, but it doesn't change my earlier point in the other thread.
Link: As Paul Harvey said: "And now, the rest of the story"..
Date: Mon Aug 6 08:19:59 2012
User: BuzzClik
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NBC did an entire piece on Oscar Pistorius, the South African double amputee 400 m runner. However, that is a far cry from how it used to be done when we would see such in-depth coverage for the entire two weeks, discovering the personal side of dominant, international athletes.
User: BuzzClik
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NBC did an entire piece on Oscar Pistorius, the South African double amputee 400 m runner. However, that is a far cry from how it used to be done when we would see such in-depth coverage for the entire two weeks, discovering the personal side of dominant, international athletes.
Date: Mon Aug 6 08:57:38 2012
User: TNmountainman
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I wish someone would come along to fill Bud Greenspan's shoes. We could stand a lot more of his type work. I'm sure you remember his fabulous documentaries, Buzz...
User: TNmountainman
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I wish someone would come along to fill Bud Greenspan's shoes. We could stand a lot more of his type work. I'm sure you remember his fabulous documentaries, Buzz...
Date: Mon Aug 6 09:07:56 2012
User: TNmountainman
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Just in case there are some here not familiar with his work....
Link: Greenspan's passion and genius
User: TNmountainman
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Just in case there are some here not familiar with his work....
Link: Greenspan's passion and genius
Date: Mon Aug 6 18:00:54 2012
User: roo
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Agreed. The marathon performance of Australia's Benita Willis, 100th in 2:49:38, would have been a good story for Bud.
User: roo
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Agreed. The marathon performance of Australia's Benita Willis, 100th in 2:49:38, would have been a good story for Bud.
Date: Mon Aug 6 19:02:24 2012
User: xeena
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I'm thinking Ken Burns with Bob Costas. Here's a funny faux news video about NBC, Bob Costas, one p.o.'d NBC Sports Caster from Jacksonville FL, and the Olympics.
Link: http://www.milforddailynews.com/multimedia/popularvideos?ndn=y&lid=us&vid=23765445
User: xeena
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I'm thinking Ken Burns with Bob Costas. Here's a funny faux news video about NBC, Bob Costas, one p.o.'d NBC Sports Caster from Jacksonville FL, and the Olympics.
Link: http://www.milforddailynews.com/multimedia/popularvideos?ndn=y&lid=us&vid=23765445
Date: Tue Aug 7 01:24:00 2012
User: TNmountainman
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I actually thought of Burns before I made my post above mentioning Greenspan. He's probably the closest (well-known) filmmaker, but I doubt if he has the Olympics knowledge base to do it justice, nor probably the specific passion for the games. Costas is severely tainted by his association and participation in this current fiasco of nationalistic coverage, but I do know in the right context he might be capable of mouthing the words appropriately (and indeed, with proper reverence).
User: TNmountainman
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I actually thought of Burns before I made my post above mentioning Greenspan. He's probably the closest (well-known) filmmaker, but I doubt if he has the Olympics knowledge base to do it justice, nor probably the specific passion for the games. Costas is severely tainted by his association and participation in this current fiasco of nationalistic coverage, but I do know in the right context he might be capable of mouthing the words appropriately (and indeed, with proper reverence).
Date: Tue Aug 7 08:43:37 2012
User: BuzzClik
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Have any of you watched the coverage online? I downloaded the NBC app yesterday to watch the semifinals of the women's soccer (holy crapoli! What a game!) and the USA vs Argentina basketball game. I watched on my iPad. With WiFi, it was fantastic. And the choices were extensive. I cannot afford to make it a habit to watch the Olympics at work, but it was a highly entertaining afternoon.
User: BuzzClik
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Have any of you watched the coverage online? I downloaded the NBC app yesterday to watch the semifinals of the women's soccer (holy crapoli! What a game!) and the USA vs Argentina basketball game. I watched on my iPad. With WiFi, it was fantastic. And the choices were extensive. I cannot afford to make it a habit to watch the Olympics at work, but it was a highly entertaining afternoon.
Date: Tue Aug 7 10:20:16 2012
User: firenze
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I think NBC is doing just great. I love when, in track and field, a close race finishes and I don't know who came in second or third for about a minute after the race while the camera focuses on the winner in the throes of orgasm. At least in swimming, they posted the results right in the lanes before spending 30 seconds on Debbie in the throes of orgasm. Also, in women's beach volleyball, I certainly enjoy, after every American victory, how the cameraman races right over to Misty so she can pontificate on the victory being for our soldiers, the Dodgers, and Nike. By the way, aren't Misty and Kerri getting just a little long in the tooth for bikinis? I guess after a couple of kids, even 30-year-olds start looking like women in their 50s. Sorry, xeena.
User: firenze
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I think NBC is doing just great. I love when, in track and field, a close race finishes and I don't know who came in second or third for about a minute after the race while the camera focuses on the winner in the throes of orgasm. At least in swimming, they posted the results right in the lanes before spending 30 seconds on Debbie in the throes of orgasm. Also, in women's beach volleyball, I certainly enjoy, after every American victory, how the cameraman races right over to Misty so she can pontificate on the victory being for our soldiers, the Dodgers, and Nike. By the way, aren't Misty and Kerri getting just a little long in the tooth for bikinis? I guess after a couple of kids, even 30-year-olds start looking like women in their 50s. Sorry, xeena.
Date: Tue Aug 7 11:03:40 2012
User: xeena
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That's okay, because I'm way hotter than a 30 year old. I didn't say which one.
User: xeena
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That's okay, because I'm way hotter than a 30 year old. I didn't say which one.
Date: Tue Aug 7 12:00:01 2012
User: firenzes_mother
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After his last post, I called his doctor and he wants to see him right away.
User: firenzes_mother
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After his last post, I called his doctor and he wants to see him right away.
Date: Tue Aug 7 12:09:41 2012
User: FilthyMcNasty
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Pack a suitcase for him, mother. He will won't be coming home for a while.
User: FilthyMcNasty
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Pack a suitcase for him, mother. He will won't be coming home for a while.
Date: Tue Aug 7 12:38:50 2012
User: xeena
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What? He said I was hotter than Misti or Kerri? This is a compliment that requires a straitjacket? I'll have to ponder that one.
User: xeena
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What? He said I was hotter than Misti or Kerri? This is a compliment that requires a straitjacket? I'll have to ponder that one.
Date: Tue Aug 7 14:35:16 2012
User: BuzzClik
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Here's one for the books (if you like reading books about stupid): =========== "Gold medal swimmer admits to cheating in 100 breaststroke" "South African gold medalist Cameron van der Burgh admitted to taking extra underwater kicks during his world-recording setting performance in the 100-meter breaststroke at the Olympics, an illegal move that would have earned him a disqualification if judges had caught him. "Swimmers are allowed one underwater dolphin kick during their underwater breaststroke pullouts. Replays show Van der Burgh took three on THE START." (emphasis is mine) ========== The start is where you leap off the blocks. Pullouts in breast stroke occur at the start and after each turn. Click below to see the pic of van der Burgh's "start." It's a turn. The other swimmer still has his feet on the wall -- a neat trick during a start. I do not demand perfection from any news outlet, and Yahoo! barely qualifies as a news outlet. But, if you're doing an in depth story involving critical details, get them correct.
Link: Yahoo story
User: BuzzClik
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Here's one for the books (if you like reading books about stupid): =========== "Gold medal swimmer admits to cheating in 100 breaststroke" "South African gold medalist Cameron van der Burgh admitted to taking extra underwater kicks during his world-recording setting performance in the 100-meter breaststroke at the Olympics, an illegal move that would have earned him a disqualification if judges had caught him. "Swimmers are allowed one underwater dolphin kick during their underwater breaststroke pullouts. Replays show Van der Burgh took three on THE START." (emphasis is mine) ========== The start is where you leap off the blocks. Pullouts in breast stroke occur at the start and after each turn. Click below to see the pic of van der Burgh's "start." It's a turn. The other swimmer still has his feet on the wall -- a neat trick during a start. I do not demand perfection from any news outlet, and Yahoo! barely qualifies as a news outlet. But, if you're doing an in depth story involving critical details, get them correct.
Link: Yahoo story
Date: Tue Aug 7 14:57:49 2012
User: hotnurse
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See xeena! Fir has been flirting with you all along. He just need to work on his delivery.
User: hotnurse
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See xeena! Fir has been flirting with you all along. He just need to work on his delivery.
Date: Tue Aug 7 15:15:03 2012
User: xeena
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You do realize that his "mother" is really him? And did I not make it clear that I'm not really a flirter, OR flirtee? Cripes.
User: xeena
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You do realize that his "mother" is really him? And did I not make it clear that I'm not really a flirter, OR flirtee? Cripes.
Date: Tue Aug 7 15:49:26 2012
User: firenze
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My mother is me?? That doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, have you seen my mother?
User: firenze
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My mother is me?? That doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, have you seen my mother?
Date: Tue Aug 7 16:28:10 2012
User: hotnurse
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What!!! That's like trying to tell me that Romney isn't rich! Besides, I have seen Fir and he has a few more teeth and longer hair than his mother.
User: hotnurse
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What!!! That's like trying to tell me that Romney isn't rich! Besides, I have seen Fir and he has a few more teeth and longer hair than his mother.
Date: Fri Aug 10 11:36:31 2012
User: TNmountainman
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There was a great article on CNN that discussed this (no, not firenze's mother) in more detail, but I've lost it. So, in lieu of that, I bring you lots of "fresh off the wire" news alerts.....
Link: NBC delayed news reports
User: TNmountainman
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There was a great article on CNN that discussed this (no, not firenze's mother) in more detail, but I've lost it. So, in lieu of that, I bring you lots of "fresh off the wire" news alerts.....
Link: NBC delayed news reports
Date: Fri Aug 10 11:39:15 2012
User: TNmountainman
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hmmm....that link doesn't seem to work. I don't "do" twitter, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Let me try it again..
Link: NBC delayed news reports, second try
User: TNmountainman
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hmmm....that link doesn't seem to work. I don't "do" twitter, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Let me try it again..
Link: NBC delayed news reports, second try
Date: Fri Aug 10 11:42:55 2012
User: TNmountainman
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Ok, either something about freecell's linkage adds or subtracts something, or twitter links don't work here, but try this: https://twitter.com/NBCDelayed There's supposed to be a little blue bird over to the left of that in the address bar, but obviously I can't make that appear here. Oh well, those of you who twitter can probably figure it out. Sorry....
User: TNmountainman
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Ok, either something about freecell's linkage adds or subtracts something, or twitter links don't work here, but try this: https://twitter.com/NBCDelayed There's supposed to be a little blue bird over to the left of that in the address bar, but obviously I can't make that appear here. Oh well, those of you who twitter can probably figure it out. Sorry....
Date: Fri Aug 10 11:56:49 2012
User: firenze
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We get NBC Nightly News at 5:30PM in Scottsdale which is 8:30PM on the east coast. You know it is delayed at least one hour and possibly two.
User: firenze
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We get NBC Nightly News at 5:30PM in Scottsdale which is 8:30PM on the east coast. You know it is delayed at least one hour and possibly two.
Date: Fri Aug 10 12:11:12 2012
User: TNmountainman
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Did that bicycle race ever finish? Did they edit out the big crash and the bevy of female streakers out there?
User: TNmountainman
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Did that bicycle race ever finish? Did they edit out the big crash and the bevy of female streakers out there?
Date: Fri Aug 10 12:20:43 2012
User: firenzes_mother
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I edited out the bevy. The idiot would have been drooling for a week.
User: firenzes_mother
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I edited out the bevy. The idiot would have been drooling for a week.
Date: Sun Aug 12 10:46:52 2012
User: firenze
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Right now, I am watching a very close basketball game between the United States and Spain. Coach Mike needs to get Kobe more involved. I mean, if the guy can buy himself out of a rape charge, winning a gold medal should be easy.
User: firenze
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Right now, I am watching a very close basketball game between the United States and Spain. Coach Mike needs to get Kobe more involved. I mean, if the guy can buy himself out of a rape charge, winning a gold medal should be easy.
Date: Sun Aug 12 13:34:24 2012
User: BuzzClik
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When it comes to infidelity, diamonds are a boy's best friend. Anyway, the USA team has the leakiest defense I have ever seen in a championship team. In a 40 minute game, they gave up 100 points. That would convert to 120 points in a 48 minute (standard NBA) game.
User: BuzzClik
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When it comes to infidelity, diamonds are a boy's best friend. Anyway, the USA team has the leakiest defense I have ever seen in a championship team. In a 40 minute game, they gave up 100 points. That would convert to 120 points in a 48 minute (standard NBA) game.
Date: Mon Aug 13 09:46:34 2012
User: TNmountainman
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Ok, when did they telecast the marathon in the U.S.? I woke up expecting to see it going on, but no....and checking back throughout the day brought nothing as well. I didn't watch non-stop yesterday, but I didn't even hear it *mentioned* the whole dang day. And that's really one of the very premier events of the whole shebang.... Which reminds me, NBC telecasts the French Open and Wimbledon live in the U.S. ("Breakfast at Wimbledon", and all that), so why couldn't they see fit to broadcast the Olympics live - arguably even bigger news? And does anyone know what they bleeped out that Eric Idle sang late during his musical number?
User: TNmountainman
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Ok, when did they telecast the marathon in the U.S.? I woke up expecting to see it going on, but no....and checking back throughout the day brought nothing as well. I didn't watch non-stop yesterday, but I didn't even hear it *mentioned* the whole dang day. And that's really one of the very premier events of the whole shebang.... Which reminds me, NBC telecasts the French Open and Wimbledon live in the U.S. ("Breakfast at Wimbledon", and all that), so why couldn't they see fit to broadcast the Olympics live - arguably even bigger news? And does anyone know what they bleeped out that Eric Idle sang late during his musical number?
Date: Mon Aug 13 10:02:35 2012
User: firenze
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I don't even know who won the marathon. On the closing ceremonies, I am waiting for The Who when, at 10:00PM our time when Bob Costas (maybe Ryan, why was he there, Seacrest) came on telling us that they will return to the closing ceremonies at 11:00PM after an hour long presentation of their new comedy hit (how can it be a hit when nobody has seen it?)Animal Practice. I considered it a fitting ending to my NBC Olympic experience. BTW, up until then, the only decent moment in the closing ceremonies was Brian May's solo guitar.
User: firenze
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I don't even know who won the marathon. On the closing ceremonies, I am waiting for The Who when, at 10:00PM our time when Bob Costas (maybe Ryan, why was he there, Seacrest) came on telling us that they will return to the closing ceremonies at 11:00PM after an hour long presentation of their new comedy hit (how can it be a hit when nobody has seen it?)Animal Practice. I considered it a fitting ending to my NBC Olympic experience. BTW, up until then, the only decent moment in the closing ceremonies was Brian May's solo guitar.
Date: Mon Aug 13 10:20:59 2012
User: BuzzClik
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Stephen Kiprotich from Uganda won the marathon. First gold medal for Uganda. Meb Keflezighi of the US was fourth. You may have seen Meb in the commercial where he finishes a run, and then deposits a check in his bank account with an app on his smart phone. I did not watch a moment of the Olympics being delayed broadcast on the main network station. I watched their satellite stations to get the live feeds or evening replays of events I find interesting. Once I discovered the NBC Olympic app, I watched a lot of live stuff on that. Keeping with my ongoing tradition, I did not watch one second of rhythmic gymnastics or synchronized swimming.
User: BuzzClik
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Stephen Kiprotich from Uganda won the marathon. First gold medal for Uganda. Meb Keflezighi of the US was fourth. You may have seen Meb in the commercial where he finishes a run, and then deposits a check in his bank account with an app on his smart phone. I did not watch a moment of the Olympics being delayed broadcast on the main network station. I watched their satellite stations to get the live feeds or evening replays of events I find interesting. Once I discovered the NBC Olympic app, I watched a lot of live stuff on that. Keeping with my ongoing tradition, I did not watch one second of rhythmic gymnastics or synchronized swimming.
Date: Mon Aug 13 11:13:24 2012
User: TNmountainman
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Uganda's second gold actually; John Akii Bua won the 400m in 1972. But I want to know from someone who watched NBC's regular programming if they even televised it (the marathon). Or even mentioned it. How embarrassing and pathetic is that, if they didn't televise it at all? Agree that Brian May's guitar work was pretty good. Also liked what Brazil did for their presentation. I thought, though, that using GB's music history (and gasp, fashion!) as almost the entire theme for the ceremony was quite shallow. On the other hand, it wouldn't have been prudent to 'celebrate' their empire-building phase, either... I watched just a bit of rhythmic gymnastics, Buzz, sort of by accident, and I must say, the routine of the winner, Anastasia Bliznyuk, with the ball (first time I've ever heard a ball called an "apparatus" - lol), was simply incredible. No way my description would do it justice, but it was extraordinary. (Which is not to say I'm in favor of it being an Olympic "sport", but it was still impressive.)
User: TNmountainman
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Uganda's second gold actually; John Akii Bua won the 400m in 1972. But I want to know from someone who watched NBC's regular programming if they even televised it (the marathon). Or even mentioned it. How embarrassing and pathetic is that, if they didn't televise it at all? Agree that Brian May's guitar work was pretty good. Also liked what Brazil did for their presentation. I thought, though, that using GB's music history (and gasp, fashion!) as almost the entire theme for the ceremony was quite shallow. On the other hand, it wouldn't have been prudent to 'celebrate' their empire-building phase, either... I watched just a bit of rhythmic gymnastics, Buzz, sort of by accident, and I must say, the routine of the winner, Anastasia Bliznyuk, with the ball (first time I've ever heard a ball called an "apparatus" - lol), was simply incredible. No way my description would do it justice, but it was extraordinary. (Which is not to say I'm in favor of it being an Olympic "sport", but it was still impressive.)
Date: Wed Aug 15 08:34:10 2012
User: BuzzClik
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This doesn't belong here, but it also does not deserve its own thread. And, I'm too lazy to find a more appropriate place for it. In this clip, a soccer player is awarded a penalty kick and makes the least of it. I speak very little German, but I was amused when the commentator compared the PK to a field goal in American football.
Link: And it's ... in orbit!
User: BuzzClik
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This doesn't belong here, but it also does not deserve its own thread. And, I'm too lazy to find a more appropriate place for it. In this clip, a soccer player is awarded a penalty kick and makes the least of it. I speak very little German, but I was amused when the commentator compared the PK to a field goal in American football.
Link: And it's ... in orbit!
Date: Thu Aug 18 04:05:12 2016
User: TNmountainman
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I've tried to not bitch about this yet this time around, but today put me over the edge. NBC actually had a gymnastics "gala", which was merely a performance by a group of dancers/gymnasts, on the gymnastics mat. This while ACTUAL COMPETITION was ongoing, and got missed. Since Rio is only 1 hour earlier than U.S. Eastern time, the time-shifting of events hasn't been *as* bad, but to do it the way they do, with an emphasis on the American audience, teams, etc., AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FACT IT IS A NEWS EVENT really riles me. I hearby declare that Bud Greenspan be resurrected, and put in charge of telecasting them on PBS, or maybe BBC. NBC has shown their incapability of doing them justice yet again. The fluff pieces (again, WHILE ACTUAL COMPETITION could be being shown), not to mention the commercials, and not to mention the strong nationalistic bent, is more than enough justification to have them banned from future telecasts of The Games. (No, no passion here.)
User: TNmountainman
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I've tried to not bitch about this yet this time around, but today put me over the edge. NBC actually had a gymnastics "gala", which was merely a performance by a group of dancers/gymnasts, on the gymnastics mat. This while ACTUAL COMPETITION was ongoing, and got missed. Since Rio is only 1 hour earlier than U.S. Eastern time, the time-shifting of events hasn't been *as* bad, but to do it the way they do, with an emphasis on the American audience, teams, etc., AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FACT IT IS A NEWS EVENT really riles me. I hearby declare that Bud Greenspan be resurrected, and put in charge of telecasting them on PBS, or maybe BBC. NBC has shown their incapability of doing them justice yet again. The fluff pieces (again, WHILE ACTUAL COMPETITION could be being shown), not to mention the commercials, and not to mention the strong nationalistic bent, is more than enough justification to have them banned from future telecasts of The Games. (No, no passion here.)
Date: Thu Aug 18 08:09:05 2016
User: BuzzClik
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Fortunately, NBC has several other channels broadcasting competitions. I watched volleyball, track and field, boxing, and basketball. I avoided some diving competition and skipped over a replay of a soccer game. And the live stream will give you something to watch all day long: http://www.nbcolympics.com/live-stream-schedule No idea what a gymnastics gala might be (beyond your description). Lots of choices.
User: BuzzClik
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Fortunately, NBC has several other channels broadcasting competitions. I watched volleyball, track and field, boxing, and basketball. I avoided some diving competition and skipped over a replay of a soccer game. And the live stream will give you something to watch all day long: http://www.nbcolympics.com/live-stream-schedule No idea what a gymnastics gala might be (beyond your description). Lots of choices.
Date: Thu Aug 18 11:09:53 2016
User: TNmountainman
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I've been going back and forth with all their channels, so I've seen a lot. But there is NO EXCUSE for broadcasting an "exhibition" if it bumps out real competition. For some reason, I have trouble gettng the feed to work properly. It won't work at all for me with Chrome, and in the detestable I.E., I eventually got it to work by "signing in", which was a non-trivial process, and every single time I change frames, I have to be subjected to a commercial. Maybe that's a small price to pay for some, but as one who assiduously avoids commercials, it's torture. And "Hey, you - Get Off My Lawn!"
User: TNmountainman
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I've been going back and forth with all their channels, so I've seen a lot. But there is NO EXCUSE for broadcasting an "exhibition" if it bumps out real competition. For some reason, I have trouble gettng the feed to work properly. It won't work at all for me with Chrome, and in the detestable I.E., I eventually got it to work by "signing in", which was a non-trivial process, and every single time I change frames, I have to be subjected to a commercial. Maybe that's a small price to pay for some, but as one who assiduously avoids commercials, it's torture. And "Hey, you - Get Off My Lawn!"
Date: Thu Aug 18 13:02:48 2016
User: Snowguy
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I suspect in most countries, they concentrate the part of the Olympic "feed"/competitions that relates to their own athletes into what they provide for the consumers. Also, I suspect they also have "fluff pieces" and background on their own athletes, as well as Rio segments.
User: Snowguy
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I suspect in most countries, they concentrate the part of the Olympic "feed"/competitions that relates to their own athletes into what they provide for the consumers. Also, I suspect they also have "fluff pieces" and background on their own athletes, as well as Rio segments.
Date: Thu Aug 18 18:09:16 2016
User: hotnurse
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I liked the gymnastics but I am so tired of hearing the same ol crap. And, if I see one more time that clip of Simone and Zac I will throw up. My hubby was very disappointed that they didn't televise all of the men's and women's basketball games. The women especially have been exciting to watch. Not so with the men. It's like they are punching a time clock...to me.
User: hotnurse
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I liked the gymnastics but I am so tired of hearing the same ol crap. And, if I see one more time that clip of Simone and Zac I will throw up. My hubby was very disappointed that they didn't televise all of the men's and women's basketball games. The women especially have been exciting to watch. Not so with the men. It's like they are punching a time clock...to me.
Date: Sat Aug 20 01:07:20 2016
User: Kaos
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I'm with TN on this topic. I grew up watching ABC cover the Olympics and by comparison, NBC sucks. Their primary channel (NBC) tries to package it all as a scripted reality TV show. You can't do that live as it is too easy to build up a prime character who bombs out in the end. Better to throw out all that back-story crap and focus more on showing more live action and if the audience doe not appreciate it, let them watch Big Brother.
User: Kaos
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I'm with TN on this topic. I grew up watching ABC cover the Olympics and by comparison, NBC sucks. Their primary channel (NBC) tries to package it all as a scripted reality TV show. You can't do that live as it is too easy to build up a prime character who bombs out in the end. Better to throw out all that back-story crap and focus more on showing more live action and if the audience doe not appreciate it, let them watch Big Brother.
Date: Sat Aug 20 03:58:35 2016
User: TNmountainman
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Well, NBC out-did themselves tonight, by inserting a 30-minute sitcom ("Superstore"?) they're trying to promote, right into the Olympic coverage. Words fail me, really, but they clearly have no conscience. The Olympics, to them, are just another vehicle to sell cars, beer, Cialis, or whatever. Like Kaos, I grew up watching on ABC, mostly featuring the great and in-tune Jim McKay, who I'm sure continues to turn in his grave at these offenses. Yes, there are more cameras now, and more events "available" for viewing - but clearly at the cost of the sacredness of, and reverence for, the competition. And they're totally shameless about it. I'll post two links giving some reaction to the coverage, with the "Time" piece (next post) being a devasting, totally accurate and on-point indictment of NBC's slavery to "packaging" The Games for (I guess) the lowest common denominators (all too often American couch potatoes?) And now I learn that NBC has the rights thru 2032. Gag. This first one was from 10 days ago, before the transgressions multiplied beyond count....
Link: Viewers blast NBC's coverage
User: TNmountainman
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Well, NBC out-did themselves tonight, by inserting a 30-minute sitcom ("Superstore"?) they're trying to promote, right into the Olympic coverage. Words fail me, really, but they clearly have no conscience. The Olympics, to them, are just another vehicle to sell cars, beer, Cialis, or whatever. Like Kaos, I grew up watching on ABC, mostly featuring the great and in-tune Jim McKay, who I'm sure continues to turn in his grave at these offenses. Yes, there are more cameras now, and more events "available" for viewing - but clearly at the cost of the sacredness of, and reverence for, the competition. And they're totally shameless about it. I'll post two links giving some reaction to the coverage, with the "Time" piece (next post) being a devasting, totally accurate and on-point indictment of NBC's slavery to "packaging" The Games for (I guess) the lowest common denominators (all too often American couch potatoes?) And now I learn that NBC has the rights thru 2032. Gag. This first one was from 10 days ago, before the transgressions multiplied beyond count....
Link: Viewers blast NBC's coverage
Date: Sat Aug 20 04:19:13 2016
User: TNmountainman
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This article details what I've been decrying all along: the jingoistic, ethno-centric, nationalistic cheerleading by NBC - which unavoidedly washes over into (some of) the viewing audience. The image of the "ugly American", most recently epitomized by Ryan Lochte, apparently, is not a myth, and this type of telecasting promotes and promulgates that attitude and behavior, and thus the stereotype, sadly. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of pride in one's country, but to focus on American athletes at the expense of *more* worthy stories just does a disservice to The Games, and to the worldwide friendship, camraderie, and gentlemanly competition The Games are supposed to foster. Has anyone seen one single interview with a non-English-speaking athlete? There may have been one, or some, but I've not seen any. Disgusting. Read all the linked article below. It gets more scathing the further it goes. Well said. Yes, The Olympics *are* entertaining. But *first and foremost*, they're NEWS, and HISTORY in the making. Give them the respect they deserve. (Hey! I told you kids to get off my lawn!)
Link: "They’re an entertainment product."
User: TNmountainman
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This article details what I've been decrying all along: the jingoistic, ethno-centric, nationalistic cheerleading by NBC - which unavoidedly washes over into (some of) the viewing audience. The image of the "ugly American", most recently epitomized by Ryan Lochte, apparently, is not a myth, and this type of telecasting promotes and promulgates that attitude and behavior, and thus the stereotype, sadly. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of pride in one's country, but to focus on American athletes at the expense of *more* worthy stories just does a disservice to The Games, and to the worldwide friendship, camraderie, and gentlemanly competition The Games are supposed to foster. Has anyone seen one single interview with a non-English-speaking athlete? There may have been one, or some, but I've not seen any. Disgusting. Read all the linked article below. It gets more scathing the further it goes. Well said. Yes, The Olympics *are* entertaining. But *first and foremost*, they're NEWS, and HISTORY in the making. Give them the respect they deserve. (Hey! I told you kids to get off my lawn!)
Link: "They’re an entertainment product."
Date: Sat Aug 20 10:26:56 2016
User: hotnurse
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I have always gotten caught up in watching the Olympics, summer and winter and I really enjoy them. We dvr all of it and skip through the commercial crap. I agree with what you guys are saying about NBC but they are our main source of viewing. I hate it that Lochte tainted the image of other athletes...but... to me, they all sell themselves out to endorsements the minute they step off of the podium. I hate that too. I wonder if all other countries glorify their athletes like we do. My favorite parts are the back-stories of those who have struggled and overcome tremendous odds. No matter, I am a sucker for watching.
User: hotnurse
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I have always gotten caught up in watching the Olympics, summer and winter and I really enjoy them. We dvr all of it and skip through the commercial crap. I agree with what you guys are saying about NBC but they are our main source of viewing. I hate it that Lochte tainted the image of other athletes...but... to me, they all sell themselves out to endorsements the minute they step off of the podium. I hate that too. I wonder if all other countries glorify their athletes like we do. My favorite parts are the back-stories of those who have struggled and overcome tremendous odds. No matter, I am a sucker for watching.
Date: Sat Aug 20 11:09:40 2016
User: Snowguy
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Countering Lochte, at least a bit, is something I saw last night. In the 5000 meter women's, a New Zealander (Hamblin) tripped and fell, causing the American (D'Agostino) to fall, too. D'Agostinoan helped the Kiwi up and encouraged her to go on. But D'Agostino then nearly collapsed because of leg injury. Hamblin helped and comforted her. Both eventually finished the race, both finishing last. THey were both admitted into the finals due to teh mishap, and Hamblin was able to run, while D'Agostino watched from the sidelines
Link: The Sportsmanship of Sport
User: Snowguy
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Countering Lochte, at least a bit, is something I saw last night. In the 5000 meter women's, a New Zealander (Hamblin) tripped and fell, causing the American (D'Agostino) to fall, too. D'Agostinoan helped the Kiwi up and encouraged her to go on. But D'Agostino then nearly collapsed because of leg injury. Hamblin helped and comforted her. Both eventually finished the race, both finishing last. THey were both admitted into the finals due to teh mishap, and Hamblin was able to run, while D'Agostino watched from the sidelines
Link: The Sportsmanship of Sport
Date: Sat Aug 20 11:24:36 2016
User: Snowguy
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How about this controversy? German marathoner twins finish the race holding hands. Assuming they did their best, I have no problem with it. Others do, apparently. "But one story has been more difficult to categorize, leaving some angry and others heartened. So what was this polarizing gesture that made German twins Lisa and Anna Hahner the subject of such intense criticism? They held hands. Yes, really the twins and training partners held hands as they crossed the finish line in 81st and 82nd place in the women's marathon on Sunday. Almost immediately after the race, the criticism came pouring in with commentators accusing the women of treating the Olympic event like a "fun run." --------------------------------------------------------- Who has a problem with it? Who doesn't?
Link: How they finished
User: Snowguy
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How about this controversy? German marathoner twins finish the race holding hands. Assuming they did their best, I have no problem with it. Others do, apparently. "But one story has been more difficult to categorize, leaving some angry and others heartened. So what was this polarizing gesture that made German twins Lisa and Anna Hahner the subject of such intense criticism? They held hands. Yes, really the twins and training partners held hands as they crossed the finish line in 81st and 82nd place in the women's marathon on Sunday. Almost immediately after the race, the criticism came pouring in with commentators accusing the women of treating the Olympic event like a "fun run." --------------------------------------------------------- Who has a problem with it? Who doesn't?
Link: How they finished
Date: Sat Aug 20 11:41:02 2016
User: hotnurse
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Whatever...we have no idea what an olympian goes through. If they wanted to hold hands, kiss or do the hip bump I really don't care. My hubby is a twin and I understand that they have a special connection.
User: hotnurse
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Whatever...we have no idea what an olympian goes through. If they wanted to hold hands, kiss or do the hip bump I really don't care. My hubby is a twin and I understand that they have a special connection.
Date: Sat Aug 20 17:22:23 2016
User: roo
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Holding hands at the end of distance events is commonplace and is almost always spontaneous. It usually occurs well down in the field but has been known to happen amongst winners (ie the first London Marathon). These girls did nothing wrong. No-one seems fussed that the two female North Korean runners ran side by side in the marathon to finish 10th and 11th and had to be separated by a photo-finish means. Either one of them could have put on a sprint in the last few metres to beat the other. In the female 5000m it appears neither runner was the cause of the mishap, being victims of a chain-collision which started further ahead of them.
User: roo
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Holding hands at the end of distance events is commonplace and is almost always spontaneous. It usually occurs well down in the field but has been known to happen amongst winners (ie the first London Marathon). These girls did nothing wrong. No-one seems fussed that the two female North Korean runners ran side by side in the marathon to finish 10th and 11th and had to be separated by a photo-finish means. Either one of them could have put on a sprint in the last few metres to beat the other. In the female 5000m it appears neither runner was the cause of the mishap, being victims of a chain-collision which started further ahead of them.
Date: Mon Feb 26 03:46:18 2018
User: TNmountainman
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After originally thinking I'd just keep my fingers quiet this time, I realized I just couldn't do that - but I at least let the Games finish before I let loose. So I was then gonna write a whole new post describing the truly absurd coverage by NBC. But after reading my earlier posts in this thread, they'll suffice in many ways. But let me first say how awe-inspiringly contrived the (*coverage* of the) Opening Ceremony was. *OF COURSE* they delayed the broadcast instead of showing it live. But they butchered it even moreso than other times. There was lip-synching, there was (of course) leaving out huge chunks of it. There was "augmented reality" that even the "sportscasters" couldn't see on site. There was the inserted 'parade' down the slopes that was done BACK IN DECEMBER "just to make sure it was done exactly right". I think that was the exact quote; if not, it's very close. There was the terrible comment made about how every Korean has looked to Japan as an example - for which the analyst was terminated, but that doesn't excuse the on-air "sportscasters" who blithely followed along. Were they that clueless? There was Mike Pence being the knot-on-a-log he is. That said..........there *were* some wonderful things, and kudos to the Koreans for a good show. And likewise for the Closing Ceremony. Really some remarkable stuff - and really some remarkable performances during The Games. I'm not knocking any of that. It's just too bad NBC has to Americanize everything Olympics. With that............I'll just repost what I wrote for Rio in 2016 above: ---------------------------------- "Words fail me, really, but they clearly have no conscience. The Olympics, to them, are just another vehicle to sell cars, beer, Cialis, or whatever. Like Kaos, I grew up watching on ABC, mostly featuring the great and in-tune Jim McKay, who I'm sure continues to turn in his grave at these offenses. Yes, there are more cameras now, and more events "available" for viewing - but clearly at the cost of the sacredness of, and reverence for, the competition. And they're totally shameless about it. I'll post two links giving some reaction to the coverage, with the "Time" piece (next post) being a devasting [sic], totally accurate and on-point indictment of NBC's slavery to "packaging" The Games for (I guess) the lowest common denominators (all too often American couch potatoes?) And now I learn that NBC has the rights thru 2032. Gag. ------------------------------------- [And.......] "This article details what I've been decrying all along: the jingoistic, ethno-centric, nationalistic cheerleading by NBC - which unavoidedly washes over into (some of) the viewing audience. The image of the "ugly American", most recently epitomized by Ryan Lochte, apparently, is not a myth, and this type of telecasting promotes and promulgates that attitude and behavior, and thus the stereotype, sadly. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of pride in one's country, but to focus on American athletes at the expense of *more* worthy stories just does a disservice to The Games, and to the worldwide friendship, camaraderie [sic], and gentlemanly competition The Games are supposed to foster. Has anyone seen one single interview with a non-English-speaking athlete? There may have been one, or some, but I've not seen any. Disgusting. Read all the linked article below. It gets more scathing the further it goes. Well said. Yes, The Olympics *are* entertaining. But *first and foremost*, they're NEWS, and HISTORY in the making. Give them the respect they deserve. ============================= ============================= [Ok - now back to the present.....] I think almost all of that is still as bad as it was, and has been for a while. The ultra-nationalism (exacerbated by Pence's smug mug) this time around was, I think, even worse, hard as that is to imagine. In essentially all interviews, all promos, all summaries, etc., it was stars and stripes all around. Very often, when they would show the results for competitions, they might show the top 3 or 5, and then skip down to where the Americans finished, even it was maybe something like 16th and 23rd, leaving out everyone else in-between. If Americans weren't expected to do well in an event, that event didn't get much coverage, if any. There were 103 gold medals awarded at this Olympiad. 9 were won by Americans. I would strongly venture to say that the coverage of those 9 medals took up (far?) more time than the other 94 won by other countries combined. Would love to see the stats on that. Yes, I think it's the "packaging" that I resent the most. Why not just make a *movie*, or mini-series about The Games, and then you all can mold, shape, and Americanize them to your heart's(?) content. I'll just repeat for emphasis: THE GAMES ARE HISTORY; THEY'RE NEWS. Report them as such. Shockingly............it appears that neither the IOC or NBC has listened to my previous complaints. And it also appears, unfortunately, that those kids *never did* get off my lawn!
User: TNmountainman
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After originally thinking I'd just keep my fingers quiet this time, I realized I just couldn't do that - but I at least let the Games finish before I let loose. So I was then gonna write a whole new post describing the truly absurd coverage by NBC. But after reading my earlier posts in this thread, they'll suffice in many ways. But let me first say how awe-inspiringly contrived the (*coverage* of the) Opening Ceremony was. *OF COURSE* they delayed the broadcast instead of showing it live. But they butchered it even moreso than other times. There was lip-synching, there was (of course) leaving out huge chunks of it. There was "augmented reality" that even the "sportscasters" couldn't see on site. There was the inserted 'parade' down the slopes that was done BACK IN DECEMBER "just to make sure it was done exactly right". I think that was the exact quote; if not, it's very close. There was the terrible comment made about how every Korean has looked to Japan as an example - for which the analyst was terminated, but that doesn't excuse the on-air "sportscasters" who blithely followed along. Were they that clueless? There was Mike Pence being the knot-on-a-log he is. That said..........there *were* some wonderful things, and kudos to the Koreans for a good show. And likewise for the Closing Ceremony. Really some remarkable stuff - and really some remarkable performances during The Games. I'm not knocking any of that. It's just too bad NBC has to Americanize everything Olympics. With that............I'll just repost what I wrote for Rio in 2016 above: ---------------------------------- "Words fail me, really, but they clearly have no conscience. The Olympics, to them, are just another vehicle to sell cars, beer, Cialis, or whatever. Like Kaos, I grew up watching on ABC, mostly featuring the great and in-tune Jim McKay, who I'm sure continues to turn in his grave at these offenses. Yes, there are more cameras now, and more events "available" for viewing - but clearly at the cost of the sacredness of, and reverence for, the competition. And they're totally shameless about it. I'll post two links giving some reaction to the coverage, with the "Time" piece (next post) being a devasting [sic], totally accurate and on-point indictment of NBC's slavery to "packaging" The Games for (I guess) the lowest common denominators (all too often American couch potatoes?) And now I learn that NBC has the rights thru 2032. Gag. ------------------------------------- [And.......] "This article details what I've been decrying all along: the jingoistic, ethno-centric, nationalistic cheerleading by NBC - which unavoidedly washes over into (some of) the viewing audience. The image of the "ugly American", most recently epitomized by Ryan Lochte, apparently, is not a myth, and this type of telecasting promotes and promulgates that attitude and behavior, and thus the stereotype, sadly. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of pride in one's country, but to focus on American athletes at the expense of *more* worthy stories just does a disservice to The Games, and to the worldwide friendship, camaraderie [sic], and gentlemanly competition The Games are supposed to foster. Has anyone seen one single interview with a non-English-speaking athlete? There may have been one, or some, but I've not seen any. Disgusting. Read all the linked article below. It gets more scathing the further it goes. Well said. Yes, The Olympics *are* entertaining. But *first and foremost*, they're NEWS, and HISTORY in the making. Give them the respect they deserve. ============================= ============================= [Ok - now back to the present.....] I think almost all of that is still as bad as it was, and has been for a while. The ultra-nationalism (exacerbated by Pence's smug mug) this time around was, I think, even worse, hard as that is to imagine. In essentially all interviews, all promos, all summaries, etc., it was stars and stripes all around. Very often, when they would show the results for competitions, they might show the top 3 or 5, and then skip down to where the Americans finished, even it was maybe something like 16th and 23rd, leaving out everyone else in-between. If Americans weren't expected to do well in an event, that event didn't get much coverage, if any. There were 103 gold medals awarded at this Olympiad. 9 were won by Americans. I would strongly venture to say that the coverage of those 9 medals took up (far?) more time than the other 94 won by other countries combined. Would love to see the stats on that. Yes, I think it's the "packaging" that I resent the most. Why not just make a *movie*, or mini-series about The Games, and then you all can mold, shape, and Americanize them to your heart's(?) content. I'll just repeat for emphasis: THE GAMES ARE HISTORY; THEY'RE NEWS. Report them as such. Shockingly............it appears that neither the IOC or NBC has listened to my previous complaints. And it also appears, unfortunately, that those kids *never did* get off my lawn!
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