Subject: Thread about the generational aspects of music preferences
Date: Mon Jan 27 22:53:48 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:Speaking of the Bee Gee's...........Barry Gibb is on Jimmy Fallon tonight.
Date: Tue Jan 28 03:05:31 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:Thanks; I would have never seen it. It wasn't SNL, but cute. They did a medley of short snippets of Everly Bros. songs, then Gibb performed one of the disco songs from the album/movie with the band. You could tell Fallon really got a kick out of it.
Date: Tue Jan 28 03:36:07 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:Interesting comments by joeygray. I think my tastes have also expanded. In fact, clearly that's true. But on the other hand, I think there are things that I liked "back then", that I no longer do. Or maybe more properly don't care about. I don't think it's a zero-sum game, but more just an evolution.
Was Journey a great band? Sure; and while that opinion hasn't changed, I have no current desire to listen to their albums, even their first one, and haven't for probably 25+ years. I could probably name a hundred similar examples. For me, what's interesting about it is what I'd call the supplantation, if that's in fact what it is. Maybe it's more "refinement", but supplantation seems more accurate, at least for me. What factor, or factors, will make one album listenable for 100 or 200 plays, but another one, clearly also a great album, grow tiresome, or 'spent' after only 20 plays? Also, some albums can "re-surge" in one's consciousness after a rest of some years, although I'd say that's a small percentage of cases.
I could probably write a lot more, but this is probably boring enough already...
Date: Tue Jan 28 11:39:17 2014
User: BuzzClik
Message:joeygray --
My comments about the Bee Gees was strictly about the disco music they generated during the Saturday Night Fever craze. The music, particularly the falsetto stuff and the relentless disco beat, was like fingernails on the blackboard for me. Surely you were aware that a large block of radio listeners felt exactly as I did. I refer you below to the classic song by Chuck Wagon and the Wheels that was an anthem for those of us who, though not ever embracing country music, completely supported the message of the song. Back in the late 70s, the local rock station would have "Disco Destruction" every day at about 4 pm. They would start playing some popular disco song and then interrupt it with the sound of a needle scratching across the disk followed by the sound of the vinyl being violently broken.They would wrap it up with Chuck Wagon and the Wheels. A similar live event was held in Chicago in 1979 in which Disco Demolition was simply too popular. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night
This thread has been an interesting introspective that I never expected. Threads on this board (and many others!) that talk about new music are largely ignored, but "what's your list of top 10 songs" will be very busy and swamped by titles from 20+ years ago.
I'm actually pleased to learn that the musical taste of the people contributing to this thread has not gone into hibernation.
Link: Chuck Wagon and the Wheels, "Disco Sucks"
Date: Tue Jan 28 12:03:54 2014
User: Dr.X
Message:It sucks because I hate it, and a bunch of others do too!!!
--BuzzClik
Date: Tue Jan 28 12:42:29 2014
User: BuzzClik
Message:Music is a personal taste. Period.
Date: Tue Jan 28 13:07:30 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:BUT...............is it our duty, as compassionate human beings, to try and bring our brethren out of the darkness into the light, so to speak, of better paths?
Date: Tue Jan 28 13:23:04 2014
User: Dr.X
Message:Plenty of good music doesn't fit my personal taste. That does not undo the fact that it's good music.
Date: Tue Jan 28 13:36:35 2014
User: The_Interpreter
Message:I would say that if you don't like it, it is, by your personal judgement, not good music.
Date: Tue Jan 28 14:06:15 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:...which I see you lifted straight out of a 1994 copy of "Duh" magazine.
You're slipping today, Interpreter.
Date: Tue Jan 28 14:08:31 2014
User: Dr.X
Message:Tons upon tons of good, very good, excellent, and superior music that does not fit my personal taste. That does not undo the fact that it's good music, very good music, excellent music, and superior music.
Date: Tue Jan 28 14:14:20 2014
User: Dr.X
Message:Well if the almighty judge of all things thinks it sucks, when then, it must suck.
(sarcasm)
Date: Tue Jan 28 14:15:40 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:Buzz, I have to give you some credit...because of the links you provided and your input, I have listened to music that I would never have had the chance to otherwise. Admittedly, I am stuck in the classic rock era but am open to new *good* music...even a little rap now and then.
Date: Tue Jan 28 14:20:16 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:Well, in that case then........I won't post any links, but you might want to check youtube for Fallon and Timberlake's series on "The History of Rap". Some of it is funny; some forced a bit.
Date: Tue Jan 28 14:25:31 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:Like I said TN, I am open to listen to anything recommended by my peeps here. Actually, I *like* a lot of rap, but I hate to watch it and see them constantly grabbing their junk, as if to check and see if it's still there. I don't consider myself prudish, but that is just gross...and stupid; imho.
Date: Tue Jan 28 14:41:52 2014
User: Klepp
Message:(Very nearly) the only popular music made in the last 60 years that will be regularly (comparably) listened to (i.e., enjoyed) in the 22nd century are The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
And of course I'm referring (more) particularly to The Beatles' work between (and including) Rubber Soul and Abbey Road.
And--with all due respect to the deceased Syd Barrett--David Gilmour and Roger Waters were just [bleep] *destined* to make mellifluous art...(even if they did want to beat each others' heads in at times)...
Date: Tue Jan 28 22:53:28 2014
User: joeygray
Message:Buzz, I can certainly appreciate that certain performance characteristics might completely trump whatever good is in the underlying composition. Take Limp Bizkit, for example.
As I have long known, for me the composition matters more than the performance; if not entirely, then perhaps 80/20. Dylan can't sing worth a damn but it doesn't matter that much, I like his songs. Conversely, Dionne Warwick's lilting vocals would likely have been lost on me, but she had Bacharach/David behind her and I love that stuff.
It's easy for me to forget that this tilt of mine is not, or anyway might not be the norm. I'm attracted to good harmony and good melody more than I'm repulsed by whiny or raspy singing or insipid instrumental execution, but maybe that's just me.
Date: Sat Feb 1 11:59:21 2014
User: BuzzClik
Message:Here's a series of songs that is an amazing treadmill. For me, it began with Vampire Weekend's "Step", but that is not the beginning.
The beginning of the cycle is actually the song "Aubrey" from Bread's very popular album, "Guitar Man." Aubrey was a nice, soft song of love and disappointment. I kinda liked it way back when (1972). http://youtu.be/u2HD57z4F8E
The late Grover Washington did an instrumental cover of the song in 1973 on his album Soul Box. Washington kept the general feel of the song but gave it his easy listening soulful sound. (I cannot find the song, but you can listen to the sample at the beginning of the next link)
The hip hop, quartet Souls of Mischief, sampled Washington's version of "Aubrey" (and other songs) in putting together their song "Step to My Girl", a song kinda about monogamy or the lack thereof. http://youtu.be/HvBmr_b-Rpg
Cue Vampire Weekend: Ezra Koenig approached Souls of Mischief leader, Tajai, (currently pursuing a Masters of Architecture degree in New York City) to use some bits and pieces of the songs lyrics and melodies. http://youtu.be/_mDxcDjg9P4
Closing the loop is a remix of "Step" featuring alt-rappers Danny Brown, Heems, and Despot who again borrow heavily from Souls of Mischief and Jay-Z along with some original material. http://www.stereogum.com/1616741/vampire-weekend-step-remix-feat-danny-brown-heems-despot/mp3s/. (You will need to scroll down a bit to find the link to the song.)
So, for those of you locked down in the 1970s, we give you Bread and Grover Washington. And, we have SOM from the early 1990s. Tie it all together with a nice bow from Vampire Weekend's Grammy winning album from 2013, and there you go.
Date: Tue Feb 4 11:13:08 2014
User: BuzzClik
Message:Here's a music video that will have very broad appeal.
It is the product of Eric Whitacre's Virtual Choir, a project in which Whitacre recruited literally of thousands of singers to record themselves singing specific parts. The parts (video and audio) were then sewn together electronically and made part of greater video.
It is lovely.
Here's the story: http://ericwhitacre.com/the-virtual-choir
The link to the video is below. (The song lasts about 5 minutes; the remaining 8 minutes of the video is for credits)
Link: Eric Whitacre's Virtual Choir 4: Fly to Paradise
Date: Sat Feb 8 14:51:44 2014
User: BuzzClik
Message:Transgenerational. Cross generational. Letterman held Beatles week this week, and various new groups were playing Beatles covers. The link below goes directly to Broken Bells (side project for James Mercer of the Shins and Danger Mouse) playing, "And I Love Her" from A Hard Days Night. It's a nice, live performance.
On the same web page is a link to other performances on Letterman and other stuff.
By the way, Pitchfork is the new Rolling Stone... (my opinion only)
Link: Broken Bells "And I Love Her"
Date: Mon Feb 10 00:25:06 2014
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:Klepp wrote: "(Very nearly) the only popular music made in the last 60 years that will be regularly (comparably) listened to (i.e., enjoyed) in the 22nd century are The Beatles and Pink Floyd. "
Hmmm. Why not Hendrix and The Who? I listened to Katy Perry butcher "Yesterday" tonight and couldn't help but think of Bettye LaVette singing "Love Reign O'er Me". I couldn't make it halfway through Miss Perry's rendition (of the only great song McCartney ever wrote) but I can listen to Miss LaVette sing Townshend til the cows come home.
There's tons of stuff I listened to and loved between the ages of 10-17 that could be classified as water boarding if I had to listen to now. Good Grief I recall listening to "Snoopy vs. the Red baron" about a dozen times straight at the age of eleven.
As to what from the 20th century will make it to the 22nd? I know nothing but if I had to bet, it would be on Bob Dylan.
Link: My Generation
Date: Mon Feb 10 02:14:52 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:As I responded almost five full years ago when you first linked that:
"Now *that's* what I call an interpretation. I hate it when people/bands simply knock off an original, but a whole different interpretation can be extremely interesting. Thanks."
In the intervening time (less than 2 months after LaVette was originally discussed on this board in 2009), I got to see her in a very small venue near me, for free, no less, and she was spell-binding.
I tend to agree with Hendrix being timeless, possibly even more so than the Beatles and Dylan, heretical though that may sound. Hendrix, whether due to pharmacological aid or not, 'tapped into' a cosmic dimension of sound/music theretofore unknown, imo. In fact, it'd be very hard to say how far ahead of his time he was. We may only discover that in future hindsight.
I saw snippets of the Beatles show tonight during Olympics commercials, and although there certainly were some great performers doing their songs, I didn't see anything compelling (compared to the originals). (And again, admittedly I only saw snippets of it.)
Date: Mon Feb 10 22:27:49 2014
User: Punster
Message:Hey hotnurse, do you remember the Sha Na Na show ? The fill-in comedy was goofy, but hearing all those great songs from the 50's was great. Johnny Contardo had a great voice. I still listen to some of the tunes on YouTube.
Date: Tue Feb 11 12:25:54 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:Wow, what memories...Dirty Dan, Screaming Scott and Bowser are the names that come to mind. I think their tv show ran in the late 70's because my sons, who were just tots at the time, loved to sing Sha na na and were constantly telling their dad, who worked construction, to "get a job".
Thanks Pun for bringing that to the front.
Date: Tue Feb 11 12:27:54 2014
User: Dr.X
Message:Sha Na Na got famous from playing Woodstock, 1969.
Date: Tue Feb 11 12:38:37 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:I've never watched a commercial for the 1969 Woodstock. Never, and I don't intend to start.
Date: Tue Feb 11 12:58:31 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:I have an automatic switch, that if a 1969 Woodstock commercial comes on, it immediately tunes me out, the nanosecond it starts. Now, to be clear, that's not true for the 1970 and subsequent Woodstock ads, but only for the 1969 Woodstock.
But......I did love me some Sha Na Na at that first show, and they treated them well in the movie, too.
Date: Tue Feb 11 13:55:43 2014
User: BuzzClik
Message:I have a t-shirt that my bbgf gave me. It has pictures of Bowser, Dirty Dan, and Screaming Scott. Bowser is saying, "Sha" ....
Date: Tue Feb 11 14:04:54 2014
User: Dr.X
Message:"dumb" ... and "dumber"
Date: Tue Feb 11 14:32:41 2014
User: The_Interpreter
Message:At least they aren't polluting the earth's atmosphere with a bonfire.
dumbest.
Date: Tue Feb 11 15:23:39 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:Now I am hell-bent to get a Sha Na Na shirt!
Date: Tue Feb 11 15:46:08 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:Thanks TN, just ordered a ladies plain white T. I need it specifically for an oldies party coming up in May.
Date: Tue Feb 11 16:09:05 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:Personally, I would have opted for one of the gold ones they used to wear on stage, but that might have been lost on the attendees - or not.
Date: Tue Feb 11 16:09:30 2014
User: The_Inquisitor
Message:Are you chaperoning?
Date: Tue Feb 11 16:18:14 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:Is the pope "black dutch"?
Actually, I did apply for the job, but was rejected on the grounds (so they said) that I was "overqualified".
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:27:57 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:TN, there weren't very many choices other than white in women's especially and only men's black Polo or yellow or lime...not quite qhat I was looking for. But, the white one will do after I put some glitter here and there and add a fake autograph of Bowser on the back.
Inquisitor...if you were asking me, then the answer is no. But if you are offering your chaperone services then meet me in Va. Beach in May. ;)
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:48:19 2014
User: Punster
Message:Hey hotnurse, if you're going to Virginia Beach, will that be anywhere near MrBuck ? He's a Virginia guy !
Date: Tue Feb 11 18:04:03 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:Buck is about 4 hrs west of Va. Beach but has a open invite to my son's home anytime. Buck knows my kids and we have all had some fun times in the past.
Date: Tue Feb 11 18:12:44 2014
User: TNmountainman
Message:Were you able to get Bowser to chaperone that event, or is Snowguy gonna do it again?
Date: Tue Feb 11 18:37:19 2014
User: hotnurse
Message:They may be one in the same.
Date: Thu Feb 13 20:47:27 2014
User: Snowguy
Message:I haven't been following this thread, but I thought I would offer something due to the thread title.
In November, we were due to hgead south for Thanksgiving, and the wife let me know if we were taking my All-Wheel Drive Honda Element ( which I was insisting due to several hundred miles of winter weather, we had to install Sirius XM radio. (I had been content with my AM/FM/CD player.) So, I said okay.
In fact, the weather got so bad we didn't risk the drive, with the 2-year-old grand-daughter in the car. So, we stayed home and I was "stuck" with Sirius XM Satellite Radio. I have been experimenting with it since, and have been sorting out my 10 favorites, one-button selections.
I have ere-discovered what I consider America's Golden Age of Popular Music. at "40's on 4" on the radio. 1940's-era music! Big Band, Swing, Hoagy Carmichael, Cab Calloway, Sinatra, Mills Brothers, Billie Holliday, and all the rest.
'50's to me was a waste by comparison, and the later decades just haven't measured up to that standard, IMHO.
By the way, I have "60's on 6" on hot-button too, but that just might be temporary, although it was nice to tune in and catch the Righteous Brothers, Johnny Cash, Marvin Gaye, etc., now and then.
Also have a Comedy Channel, Jazz, CNN, Doctor Radio, etc.
But it's the "40's music that keeps drawing me back. I don't think anything else in American popular music measures up.
Date: Fri Feb 14 18:22:17 2014
User: Snowguy
Message:That link appears to have expired or something. Here
Link: Louis
Date: Fri Feb 14 18:25:07 2014
User: Snowguy
Message:Apparently, the link keeps coming up a https link, and it then fails the test with FreeCell.net. Here it is with me converting it to a http.
Link: Last try!
Date: Fri Feb 14 20:00:49 2014
User: StephenGM
Message:Speaking of Hendrix and Dylan, which TN was doing about 10 posts ago, I've been on a long drive down to Wilson's Promontory
<https://maps.google.com/?ll=-38.468643,145.744629&spn=1.339728,2.705383&t=m&z=9> and I got the chance to listen to the full soundtrack of "I'm Not There". I can only ever listen to complete albums when I'm on long drives in the car because of wife and teenage kids and blaring TVs and phone interruptions. The first song is All Along the Watchtower by Eddie Vedder in the Hendrix style. Track 2 was I'm Not There by Sonic Youth. I've long since come to the conclusion that the songs of Dylan are best performed by other artists. Blood On the Tracks is an exception, that was about 1976 it's probably the last of Bob's albums that could be called great.
Anybody who's been to Melbourne and loves Rock and Roll will know about the Esplanade Hotel in St. Kilda. I went there with a friend a few years ago, they have about 4 or 5 different bars going with various kinds of music. The downstairs basement bar is hard rock and metal. It's a tiny space that can only fit about 50 people, really sweaty. This particular night there were these two bands each featuring one of Melbourne best electrical guitarists and for some reason they had both decided to include "All Along the watchtower" in their sets. Obviously the second guy up had heard the first and decided to out do him. Now the first performance was sensational, but the second was even better.
It was awesome, my ears still ring.
Date: Sat Feb 15 00:55:35 2014
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:I just got Sirius in the car and also love the 40's music like Snowguy. But, I also love the coffee house, lithium, and alt channels, too. there are a number of "new" acts I like (nirvana, chili peppers, jewel, eminem, green day) and more i don't (Gaga, Katy Perry, etc.). But, nirvana ain't bumping The Who from my parthenon and no one is bumping Springsteen. So, it seems to come down to generations after all.
Date: Mon Feb 17 13:49:24 2014
User: ejchap
Message:I'm 71.5 years young.
I ran a big band 18 pieces until 1979.
My favourite music is Motown, and I've met the
Temptations, Peabo Bryson, and other music people.
I keep discovering great music from the 40's 50's,
mstly the early early RnB,southern roots
I collect mp3s of all the greats from the net
The Chicago blues giants like Howlin Wolf, etc.
I even collect the rock until 2002. I have Joel Whitburn's book to go by.
I have 2 children 47 and 35
and 3 grand children 7,10,14
I will buy each an external drive and put all the music on there for each one
My son loves the Temptations,
even the tragic life of the great David Ruffin.
ejchap
Date: Thu Jun 14 16:37:02 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:After considering other alternatives...…...I think this thread best suites this research topic. I *think* I got it from Nate Silver's site, but it's been a few days and I've forgotten for sure. Lots to chew on here, *IF* one is interested in (relatively recent, especially) pop music, or how the 'creation' (lol) aspect of the music biz works these days. It confirms, and entrenches, for me why I detest 95-98% of today's "pop" music (and hip-hip, which is even worse). And conversely, why I think the richest music is of the type represented as "Americana" - which is essentially the opposite of "pop" of this universe.
Lots of clichés have been around for quite a while about this, but I've never seen any quantification of it, nor expected anyone to analyze it like this. To say pop music has long ago lost it's soul is apparently an understatement. But what puzzles me is WHY PEOPLE STILL LISTEN TO IT, and buy it, etc. I have zero clue about that. Well, yes......actually I could make a guess or two, but that would be pejorative, and far be it from me to go there....
I truly can't believe, tho, that commercial radio that plays pop music still exists, and people apparently listen to it, ads and all. I suppose those differences are what makes the world go 'round, tho??
As a sidenote…….we learn that "Uptown Funk" that Julia found for us on another thread ("Old Movie Stars Dance to Uptown Funk" in the "Stream of Consciousness" one), is credited to *11* "songwriters".
Link: The pop music bizness - how it 'works'
Date: Thu Jun 14 16:37:27 2018
User: TNmountainman
Message:After considering other alternatives...…...I think this thread best suites this research topic. I *think* I got it from Nate Silver's site, but it's been a few days and I've forgotten for sure. Lots to chew on here, *IF* one is interested in (relatively recent, especially) pop music, or how the 'creation' (lol) aspect of the music biz works these days. It confirms, and entrenches, for me why I detest 95-98% of today's "pop" music (and hip-hip, which is even worse). And conversely, why I think the richest music is of the type represented as "Americana" - which is essentially the opposite of "pop" of this universe.
Lots of clichés have been around for quite a while about this, but I've never seen any quantification of it, nor expected anyone to analyze it like this. To say pop music has long ago lost it's soul is apparently an understatement. But what puzzles me is WHY PEOPLE STILL LISTEN TO IT, and buy it, etc. I have zero clue about that. Well, yes......actually I could make a guess or two, but that would be pejorative, and far be it from me to go there....
I truly can't believe, tho, that commercial radio that plays pop music still exists, and people apparently listen to it, ads and all. I suppose those differences are what makes the world go 'round, tho??
As a sidenote…….we learn that "Uptown Funk" that Julia found for us on another thread ("Old Movie Stars Dance to Uptown Funk" in the "Stream of Consciousness" one), is credited to *11* "songwriters".
Link: The pop music bizness - how it 'works'
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