Subject: More, different BIG science news
Date: Thu Dec 30 14:31:09 2021
User: outskirts
Message:I'd call them hillbillies but there's no hills. I settle for bumpkins.
Date: Thu Dec 30 15:09:32 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:Indeed.........some of my hillbilly brethren have gone and worked for that NASA thing, but most of us are content to set on the porch whittlin', chewin', and drinking Dew.
Date: Thu Dec 30 15:12:35 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:Instead of "hold my beer", we say "hold my jug".
Date: Thu Dec 30 15:45:05 2021
User: Klepp
Message:TN, I saw a cool special on jailbreaks the other day, focusing on the Brushy Mountain breakout by James Earl Ray and associates...
..."On 10 June 1977, the convicted murderer of Martin Luther King, Jr., James Earl Ray, escaped from Brushy Mountain State Prison in Tennessee, along with six others. Ray was recaptured after two days. He had been running and hiding in the mountainous forest surrounding the prison."--WIKI
Isn't that your neck of the woods?
Date: Thu Dec 30 15:56:17 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:No, not all that close. Maybe 200-225 km. That's up above Knoxville, NW of it. I'm much closer to NC and VA lines.
You may know this, but it's now a tourist-y thing, with tours, distillery (how apropos), restaurant, etc. Ex-cons as tour guides. Really. Haven't been there, tho. James Earl must have been one smart/devious cookie, from what I've heard.
Date: Thu Dec 30 16:15:01 2021
User: Klepp
Message:An old Navy friend of mine is from Grundy, VA, about thirty miles north of Bristol...that's the mountainous area I recall...impassable roads in wintertime, without 4WD...
Date: Thu Dec 30 16:21:24 2021
User: cellmate
Message:
the Brushy Mountain breakout inspired the Barkley Marathons in that area. 3 days of no sleep and difficult conditions. Very few complete it.
Date: Thu Dec 30 16:43:01 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:Yeah, I almost mentioned that. It's pretty sadistic. It goes on for 3 days or so, including during the night. Some years (most??), *nobody* finishes it. Maybe roo should try it. Not sure if mrbuck finished it or not.
Date: Thu Dec 30 20:49:20 2021
User: mrbuck
Message:I finished my dinner. Does that count?
mrbuck
Date: Thu Dec 30 21:06:45 2021
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:We'll have to wait on the ruling from the race administrator.
Date: Sat Jan 1 22:56:41 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:Wanna get a perfect start to correcting our environment?
1st - get the corn syrup out of our gasoline'
I did and get 3-5 miles per gallon better mileage
My engine runs smoother and quieter
Substantially less sludge build up in the engine
The engine runs cooler
The best mileage improvement was an increase of 7 miles per gallon on a trip between North Carolina and Virginia.
Thank Henry Waxman, democrat, for compromising with the corn lobby in 1990 to get the votes necessary to pass The Clean Air Act... a tragic and ironic decision.
I've talked to two Honda service managers, an oil refining executive, Home Depot and Lowe's (ask them why they sell Ethanol-free gas), many mechanics.
A local gas station owner has tried for years to get permission to sell No-Ethanol gas (for which he has hundreds of customers ready to buy it) only to be denied by the county board of commissioners.
Put it in your car, lawnmower, weed whacker, outboard motor... EVERYTHING YOU PUT GAS IN!!!
Websites that pan any benefit of getting the corn syrup out of our engines are sponsored or created by the corn lobby.
Do not believe them.
Ethanol-free is a simple thing to do and we must pester our elected reps until the law requiring ethanol in our gasoline is repealed.
2nd - stop fracking.
Direct pollution not only from unscrupulous companies dumping contaminated water, but pollution of aquifers
Using trillions of gallons of supposedly scarce potable water
Indirect pollution through lowering oil and gas prices
Earthquakes
In West Virginia illegal dumping of waste products results in outbreaks of chronic wasting disease from manganese contaminating the waste water.
Date: Sun Jan 2 05:02:52 2022
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:Not sure what you're doing there, but:
There's no corn syrup in gasoline - unless some n'er-do-well put some in there as vandalism. I suspect you're complaining about the ethanol in gasoline. Valid arguments on both sides there, but when you say "corn syrup" you lose all credibility on that topic. Just sayin'.
And...........not saying it's not possible........but what county has the authority to require some ethanol in gasoline? Possibly in CA; just curious.
As to prion diseases (CWD being a major one), no one *really* knows what causes it. There is some tentative evidence that manganese can make it more likely, but there are cases of CWD in lots of places that have no problems with excess Mn. (Which is of course not to say that illegal chemical dumping isn't a huge problem, 'cause it is, and WV has had more than its share of that issue.) If you can cite a paper that truly shows Mn as a cause, I'd like to see it, as I think prion biochemistry is fascinating (and scary).
Date: Tue Jan 4 17:34:50 2022
User: sgmsgmsgm
Message:If only, if only...if only there was some way to make wheels go around without burning all that gasoline. If only someone could invent a motor that produced maximum torque at 0 rpm. If only there was a way to use all that free energy that comes from that giant fusion reactor in the sky. Then we wouldn't need gasoline or corn syrup or ethanol.
~~sigh~~ But it will never happen.
A man can dream though, a man can dream.
Date: Tue Jan 4 19:59:07 2022
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:Well................some would argue we'd still need ethanol - for, uh, 'biochemical' purposes. And some others - say manufacturers of cheap, unhealthy drinks and snacks, would say we'd still need corn syrup, too.
Date: Wed Jan 5 06:59:13 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:@ Kumquat - this is a no brainer issue. Corn in our gasoline engines causes our engines to run hotter, sludge to form in carburetors/engines, increases greenhouse emissions (through burning it in our engines and manufacturing it, along with pollution from the manufacturing process), corn syrup substantially reduces our mileage.
That last one defeats the main argument adding corn syrup to our gas
Saying "Corn Syrup" makes the point that the ethanol comes from corn.
Using that phrase is humorous, as I have witnessed many times in conversations with people who have laughed out loud, chuckled or grinned when hearing it.
It is bad for all gasoline engines.
There is no other point of view, unless you are falling prey to corn lobby websites... much like the doctors and scientists who supported smoking as not only safe but healthful, back in the day.
Don't ask the salesman if his hawked product is good... don't read the salesman flyers... don't put credence in the shills working in the crowd with the salesman, buying his product and vocally supporting it... do some research to find the actual research, some THINKING.
At Lowe's and Home Depot they sell ethanol-free gas in cans to use in weed whackers, lawnmowers and outboard motors. Go to a store and ask why.
Small Engine Manufacturers and informed citizens across America stood up to be counted when a bill surfaced in Congress to FORCE a raise in the percentage to 30% a few years ago.
Anecdotally, my personal experience with using corn-syrup-free gas is an immediate increase in mileage averaging 3-5 miles PER GALLON, 60-100 miles PER TANK.
My best mileage improvement was 7 miles per gallon (27 MPG total for an older minivan) on a 300 mile trip.
My car seems to run better, quieter, smoother.
I was advised to use ethanol-free/no-ethanol by two Honda Service Managers, who both volunteered that they use ethanol-free gas in all of their vehicles and small engines.
You feel like taking a swing at climate change? Stop swinging at me and get informed about ethanol in gas. Start calling your representatives and tell them to get the corn syrup out of our gasoline and let them know why.
This is a no brainer. and anyone opposed to it has no brain or is not utilizing it, or maybe has too much corn syrup in their diet.
Try finding out how corn syrup was put into our cars under force of law, back in 1990. Henry Waxman was the key player.
There is no other truthful side to this issue.
Date: Wed Jan 5 09:48:57 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:Let's see:
1) Infrequent poster
2) Attempts to engage opponents by belittling them
3) Argues one side of an issue (as is counter arguments don't exist)
4) Rhetorical points riddled with errors
5) Attempts to politicize the discussion
Welcome back, Michael.
Date: Wed Jan 5 10:29:40 2022
User: outskirts
Message:Apparently, demeaning and degrading other posters has been the only thing that worked for him. He should take lessons from sonnycrocket, who can get a thread deleted much quicker, using the same method/s!
Date: Wed Jan 5 13:37:36 2022
User: redberet
Message:I like corn. Especially Ambrosia. ooh with some Irish butter. Life can be kind sometimes.
Date: Wed Jan 5 16:02:53 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:Kumquat?
Do you feel I demeaned, degraded, insulted or belittled you?
Did you do any research on the information I provided?
If you did any research did you learn anything?
Did anything you may have found contradict the information I posted?
Date: Wed Jan 5 17:01:39 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:Buzzclik -
"Infrequent poster" - How is that relevant to truth or facts posted
"Attempts to engage opponents by belittling them" - How did I belittle KumQuat?
"Argues one side of an issue (as is counter arguments don't exist)" -
Buzzclik, is smoking cigarettes bad for anyone who smokes them?
Is there another side of that issue?
Ethanol in gas happened as a result of a political decision by Henry Waxman in 1990.
Waxman is now opposed to biofuels in gasoline.
Ethanol is bad for gasoline engines, causes more greenhouse gasses, uses 40% of our corn (driving up food prices), the costs of making and mixing it with gas are paid by the consumer in the form of higher gasoline prices, the pollution caused by the processing of corn into ethanol is bad for the environment.
I could go on.
The ONLY good thing about ethanol in gas is higher profits for the corn industry.
Buzzclik - what's the other side of this issue? Mind if I smoke?
"Rhetorical points riddled with errors"
Please point out the errors in my post.
Seems to me like you have some apologizing to do.
Date: Wed Jan 5 17:24:57 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:Meanwhile, back in the Science News Department:
(yes, yes, this is pretty calm compared to gravity waves, but....)
"Webb Telescope Successfully Unfurls Its Tennis Court-Size Sunshield in Space"
"The James Webb Space Telescope, which launched on Christmas Day, successfully completed the deployment of its 70-foot (21-meter) sunshield on Tuesday. This critical milestone is one of several that must occur for the NASA observatory to function properly in space, and having achieved it was a big relief for the Webb team.
"'Unfolding Webb's sunshield in space is an incredible milestone, crucial to the success of the mission,' said Gregory L. Robinson, Webb's program director at NASA Headquarters, in a statement. 'Thousands of parts had to work with precision for this marvel of engineering to fully unfurl. The team has accomplished an audacious feat with the complexity of this deployment -- one of the boldest undertakings yet for Webb.'
"The telescope has the ability to look back in time, using its infrared observations to reveal otherwise invisible aspects and look deeper into the universe than ever before. The Webb telescope will look at every phase of cosmic history, including the first glows after the Big Bang that created our universe and the formation of the galaxies, stars and planets that fill it today. Its capabilities will enable the observatory to peer inside the atmospheres of exoplanets and investigate faint signals from the first galaxies formed 13.5 billion years ago."
Much larger than Hubble and far more functionality.
Link: Webb Telescope
Date: Wed Jan 5 17:59:01 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:Buzzclik, do you wish I had started smoking 62 years ago?
Well I did, but I quit after one cigarette. One inhaled puff actually.
Redberet - Help me and Buzzclik and KumQuat get rid of ethanol in gasoline (if their rambucktiousness and misdemeanoring days are behind them, [aside to KumQuat and Buzzclik - they are, aren't they boys?]) and I promise your corn prices will go down or up... depends on how the corn lobby reacts to our successful cooperative venture in forcing factory farms to go into the real food business of creating food to eat, instead of to process and burn.
Date: Wed Jan 5 18:19:27 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:Buzzclik - the news about the ethanol deception is science news. And it's a continuing story of the struggle of scientific inquiry and research to make its way onto the floors of Congress.
To use scientific facts to improve our lives, lower food prices, clean up the environment, and prolong the life of our cars.
You should be helping.
Someone can be here to receive and interpret and appreciate the James Web data, or your science news is superfluous.
Shame to waste all those billions to make the darn thing, get the thing up there, build the infrastructure to maintain it position it download data and interpret it... then to find out there are no operators to receive and interpret the data because their cars broke down and the earth burned up during a hothouse event hosted by the sun.
Yes I think the ethanol issue is related to your James Webb issue inextricably.
Still waiting to hear from you what was wrong with the info I posted (the riddles and errors and Rhetoric, Oh My!)
I don't expect an answer, but I will occasionally remind you that you said an unsupportable statement, a derogatory one by the way, about my post that you cannot defend.
Link: Rambucktiousness
Date: Wed Jan 5 23:16:25 2022
User: Klepp
Message:To all: I'm appreciating the recent "More, different BIG science news" links being offered...whew, too bad it took this long for the thread to thrive!
Date: Wed Jan 5 23:31:01 2022
User: redberet
Message:I'm inclined to agree with Hold. When every presidential candidate promises to uphold the federal mandate just to win the Iowa caucuses gives me pause. I remember the oil embargo getting the whole thing going. There are 7 states that mandate ethanol and they're mostly corn belt states. So yea, I'd have to say it's political. I think cornbread and tortillas make a better fuel.
Date: Thu Jan 6 00:11:18 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:Exactly, redberet. One of Michael's many, many errors was the assumption that he is the only one holding those views. This subject (plant-based liquid fuels for internal combustion engines) has been debated for decades. His declarations are hardly "news", unless you measure time in geologic eras.
Ethanol production from corn may be the least efficient of all the plant-based schemes, and we've known that for a very long time. The undeniable fact that politicians will compromise the entire country for the benefit of a few of their constituents, likewise, ain't exactly news.
So, can we please ignore Michael's latest attempt to disrupt this board and stay on topic?
Date: Thu Jan 6 04:15:39 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:Even tho the main mirror is yet to be unfolded..........this is what they say: ".....we actually have a telescope". Seems a premature characterization to me..........but who am I to say?
Link: ".....we actually have a telescope"
Date: Thu Jan 6 09:02:56 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:Agreed. The proof will be in the images.
Date: Thu Jan 6 11:37:30 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:Again Buzzclik makes derogatory, inflammatory and incorrect statements, and still refuses to identify the multiple riddling rhetorical errors he claims I made in my original post to KumQuat.
Buzzclik continues to personnally attack and hypothesize and ignore the facts.
Now he claims one of "Michael's" MANY, MANY ERRORS is that he is the only one holding these views.
I don't do research on ethanol in gasoline.
I reported the research of others and my anecdotal experience with putting ethanol-free gas into my car.
Buzzclik posts twice about errors he claims I have made, which he refuses to delineate or discuss, although I have invited him to.
He never backs up his claims that my posts are error-filled.
Buzzclik's behaviors are the real disruption here when he invents, then hurls, derogatory accusations at someone he doesn't know.
Accusations that are incorrect (and he knows that), and that he refuses to discuss.
Buzzclik fits so much error-riddled base-less personally-attacking rhetoric into one sentence, its amazing he isn't banned from the discussion board for piling on all this rhetoric and then refusing to discuss any of it. The real disruption here.
Finally Buzzclik attests to the info I posted as probably to likely true, but leaves the door open for debate (without discussion/debate), taking both sides of the issue when there is CLEARLY only one side.
The science supports removing federal and state mandates for the use of ethanol.
Henry Waxman, the democrat responsible for mandating ethanol in gas in 1990, changed his position while in Congress.
Now he publicly opposes all biofuels being added to our gasoline.
When people like Buzzclik pretend this is a debatable issue while back-handedly supporting all the info I have posted, THAT is real disruption and obfuscation.
Pick a side Buzzclik and discuss your position, in a civil and non-disruptive way.
Please stop the personal attacks.
Date: Thu Jan 6 11:47:40 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:Start a new thread, Michael, and I will debate you there. I will not participate in your attempt to kill this thread.
Date: Thu Jan 6 12:07:12 2022
User: outskirts
Message:Michael must have been the media guy in school cuz he sure knows how to project. Not that Buzz is much different!
Date: Thu Jan 6 15:55:49 2022
User: HoldOnThere
Message:This IS science news, current, important, cutting edge.
Buzzclik. You started making unsupportable derogatory personal remarks here in this thread.
Apologize for those remarks, sincerely.
Or defend those remarks, here.
You made the choice to post them in this thread, defend them in this thread, as I have asked you to do repeatedly. Or withdraw your support of those remarks and apologize.
March 08, 2018 04:21 PM -
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-call-ethanol-mandate-an-environmental-flop
A group of Democrats apologized for the failed experiment that is the nation's ethanol mandate on Thursday, calling it a "flop" and introducing legislation that would phase out corn ethanol use in six years.
Syngenta's Enogen GM corn is contaminating white corn crops and has caused product failures in masa flour in California and elsewhere.
Syngenta put an amylase enzyme into Enogen to help break down the corn starch, but conventional corn starch can't be used for normal purposes with the starch breaking down while in the kernel.
June 12, 2013
https://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-ethanol-mandate-dont-mend-it-end-it
House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R–MI) and ranking member Henry Waxman (D–CA) recently launched a bipartisan review[1] of the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which mandates the use of corn-based ethanol and other biofuels for transportation fuel. More commonly known as the ethanol mandate—promising less dependence on foreign oil and decreased fuel prices and greenhouse gas emissions—the mandate has been an economic and environmental boondoggle.
There is no other side on this issue.
Mind if I smoke?
Could your meandering on this issue, and laser focus on personal derogatory remarks about me and the information I have posted, be tied to the use of bioengineered corn for ethanol production?
Feb 12 2007 - Organic Consumers Association -
https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/dupont-designing-genetically-engineered-corn-produce-ethanol
PUERTO VALLARTA, Mexico - New strains of genetically modified corn will play a key role in meeting soaring demand as U.S thirst for ethanol fuel cuts into supplies, a top seed company scientist said on Friday.
Dupont's Bill Niebur, the firm's vice president for genetics research and development, said demand for ethanol means the race is on to rapidly ramp up grain yields.
"We doubled average yields in North America in 41 years. We don't have that much time to make the next step," Niebur said at a gathering of grain exchanges, traders and consumers in Mexico. "The challenge for our plant breeders is to move that curve significantly faster."
June 5th 2014 -
https://www.insta-pro.com/en/blog/nutritionandtechnologies/gmo-corn-for-ethanol-incoming-raw-materials-plans-more-important-than-ever/
Syngenta has developed a GMO variety of corn called Enogen, which is designed for the ethanol fuel industry. Enogen is genetically-altered to produce its own heat-tolerant enzyme to help break down starch in corn, an important initial step in ethanol production. Traditionally, corn is blended with a purchased liquid form of this enzyme during ethanol production, and now, this is no longer necessary.
Corn that already has high levels of heat-stable enzyme to digest starch might be great for ethanol, but poses a huge problem for the food and feed industries. Corn milling for food would be very challenging, if not impossible – starches that are already degraded would result in “crumbly corn chips, soggy cereals and corn bread.”
April 5th 2017 -
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gmo-ethanol-corn-contamination-raises-concerns-about_b_58e52857e4b0ee31ab9533dd
Food corn buyers say Syngenta's Enogen GMO corn is contaminating non-GMO white corn fields, creating a potential “trainwreck;” may be linked to bad masa flour in California.
Enogen, a genetically modified corn for ethanol production, has contaminated non-GMO white corn grown in Nebraska that is used to make flour for tortillas and other products.
Contaminated farmers’ corn
According to Derek Rovey, owner of Rovey Specialty Grains, Inland, Nebraska, a few of his contract farmers who grow non-GMO white corn had their crops contaminated by Enogen corn.
Buzzclik. Notice some problems with the malpracticed-science of genetic modification yet?
This IS science news, current, important. Showing the damage being done when on the wrong side of the cutting edge.
Is this genetic modification of corn used in ethanol production creating some conflicts in your ability to speak clearly on this issue?
Date: Fri Jan 7 02:07:11 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:For anyone who's been wondering what all the hub-bub is about concerning the James Webb Space Telescope 🔭 , here's your chance to bone up all in one place. This is a quite long, but very thorough, very systematic overview of the entire project, with history, personalities, background science, et al -- yet at a lay level. One can catch up to speed quite quickly, all in one place.
Again, it's long, but not prohibitively so. Very well-done piece with the science made quite "accessible". Most, or many, reading this thread because of an interest in science, astronomy, cosmology, etc., will know lots of this stuff already, but its the best overview I've encountered.
Link: The Webb Telescope - a solid primer
Date: Fri Jan 7 15:58:35 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:They say they don't know how atomic hydrogen transitions to molecular hydrogen. Which I guess is technically true, but I'll point out to less knowledgeable readers that "molecular" hydrogen (H2, with the 2 being a subscript) is thermodynamically more stable than atomic hydrogen (just H by itself), so it is a naturally 'favored' transition. And very considerably so, which is why all the terrestrial hydrogen we'd be familiar with is molecular hydrogen.
(But when the universe finally got cool enough for atoms to form, atomic hydrogen would obviously be the first step. Think about the energies of atomic orbitals.)
I could postulate further that the formation of molecular hydrogen is more a matter of further cooling, and simply geometric proximity. You can't get to H2 if two hydrogen atoms aren't 'finding' each other. But of course those guys would know that.
Date: Fri Jan 7 16:10:11 2022
User: berries
Message:THANK YOU Mountain man, for posting that link!!! SOOOOOO COOOL!!
Date: Fri Jan 7 22:22:52 2022
User: Kaos
Message:Hey TNm, maybe that article on the JWST is a bit too pandering. I’d be curious to know if there is an audience for it. Too simplistic for anyone who cares and not going to engage anyone who doesn’t care.
For those who do care, I can’t wait to see what is revealed. The deployment seems to be going extremely well. If I was to bet, I’d put money on most dark matter is just mini black holes
Date: Fri Jan 7 23:11:00 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:"Pandering"? I guess I get that point, but obviously somebody loved having it. To be honest, it was a close call as to its post-worthiness, but decided there was enough meat there to make it worthy. Especially for the history and 'story' of it. You and I might be more interested in updated info on dark matter, etc., but the long journey to the reality of it matters - if for no other reason than to help educate others as to the value of investing in scientific research. So many of our populace don't get that, and certainly don't get the long lead times on such big projects.
Date: Fri Jan 7 23:27:05 2022
User: redberet
Message:I thought it was an excellent article. There are a lot of things I don't know about, a lot I'd like to know. Once the brain stops learning, it starts decaying. Much of what I learn nowadays is happenstance. If I don't know about something, I can't very well research it. So concise informative articles are very much appreciated.
Date: Sat Jan 8 16:58:04 2022
User: Mobius
Message:Links to studies are at the end.
Most of my post is responding to KumQuat's completely ignoring science and evidence and being a not-so-smart-alec.
KumQuat put out a few sentences that were filled with non-scientific word games and contradictory statements and pretenses and deceptions.
This type of behavior has no place in science in the real world or a discussion thread that is supposed to be about "Science News"
Regarding my post about removing "corn syrup" (an OBVIOUS humorous euphemism for corn alcohol/ethanol) from gasoline, KumQuat says nothing related to the science and facts surrounding its removal. KumQuat pretends he isn't sure what I mean, and that it's a debatable issue.
Kumquat says -
"Not sure what you're doing there, but:" -
Kumquat *knows* what my post intends and is about, but states he is not sure.
"There's no corn syrup in gasoline - unless some n'er-do-well put some in there as vandalism". -
Kumquat knows I am talking about ethanol, but pretends he doesn't so he can pretend to make a point.
There's no room for pretense in science... nor lies/deceptions or obfuscation... but Kumquat pretends, deceives, obfuscates throughout his post.
"I suspect you're complaining about the ethanol in gasoline." -
Showing KumQ knew, while earlier pretending not.
Even using the word *suspect* is a deception on KQ's part, pretending he had to think his way through my statement.
Where's your scientific discipline and ethics KQ? Truth is so much simpler and easier.
"Valid arguments on both sides there" -
KQ is smart enough to already know ethanol needs to removed from gasoline.
The only "benefit" anyone derives out of it is the profits the corn industry makes, and the people bribed to fight legislation to remove it.
Creating GM corn that is easier to process into ethanol, Biotech is also profiting.
That may be the conflict some of the folks here have, attempting to protect biotech profits (regardless of the collateral damage caused by modified crops). Syngenta's Enogen being one of many examples of problematic Biotech misadventures into corn ethanol.
There are no science-based arguments to support ethanol in gasoline.
Back in the 50s and 60s doctors and researchers and scientists were bribed to claim smoking was not only safe, but healthful.
The corn and biotech lobbies are using similar tactics today, using the internet, creating web pages supporting ethanol in gasoline, to counter the true science-based evidence that ethanol needs to go.
"... but when you say "corn syrup" you lose all credibility on that topic. Just sayin'." -
KQ pretends not to understand the humor of the euphemistic use of the phrase *corn syrup*, claims the use of that phrase causes me to "lose all credibility", then throws in a snide "Just sayin'"
Such a waste of time and space.
"And...........not saying it's not possible........but what county has the authority to require some ethanol in gasoline? Possibly in CA; just curious."
Does KQ have comprehension problems, or is he just too flippant to pay attention to what I have posted?
The county board wasn't requiring ethanol in gasoline, but denying the permission to sell ethanol-free gas from my friend's pumps.
Lowe's Home Depot and marinas all sell ethanol free gas in our county... just not that BP station, or any regular gas station.
"As to prion diseases (CWD being a major one), no one *really* knows what causes it." -
Apparently KQ has never done an internet search, doesn't know what PubMed is, and/or is decades behind the times on prion research - or he is lying/deceiving.
Which is it KQ?
A reminder - SCIENCE is not the place for lying/deception, pretense or obfuscation.
Science is the pursuit of truth. Catch-up KQ!
"There is some tentative evidence that manganese can make it more likely, but there are cases of CWD in lots of places that have no problems with excess Mn." -
Now KQ pretends to have evidence, but in his next sentence counters his pretense.
"(Which is of course not to say that illegal chemical dumping isn't a huge problem, 'cause it is, and WV has had more than its share of that issue.)" -
KQ implies that manganese in the illegal chemical dumping is the source of manganese in areas "... that have no problem with excess Mn"
So KQ seems to be in agreement with manganese being critical in CWD and other diseases, but he is simultaneously on both ends of a teeter totter, playing word games and pretending he doesn't know the truth.
Manganese-altered prions are the major causative factor in not only CWD, but Mad Cow, manganism, miner's madness, feline spongiform encephalopathy, New Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and more.
"If you can cite a paper that truly shows Mn as a cause, I'd like to see it, as I think prion biochemistry is fascinating (and scary). " -
Anyone who thinks "... prion biochemistry is fascinating", but apparently doesn't know where to go to get information about prions and their relationship to neurological disorders and manganese is either deliberately avoiding those pages in their textbooks/on the web, or that person is lying.
Which are you doing *KQ*? Are you -
1. Not knowledgeable about where to go to get information about manganese and prion disease?
2. Deceiving us by implying you don't know where to get the information?
3. Deceiving us about being fascinated by prion biochemistry?
This is supposed to be about science news... but you KQ, muck these pages up and mock science with your pandering pretentious paragraphs.
Role of manganese in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's 2019 -
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31546716/
This ones for Buzzclik -
Glyphosate, Manganese, Neurological Diseases
Anthony Samsel Stephanie Seneff
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295608981_Glyphosate_pathways_to_modern_diseases_III_manganese_neurological_diseases_and_associated_pathologies
Link: How you can tell when KQ & BC are not being scientific.
Date: Sat Jan 8 17:03:15 2022
User: Klepp
Message:An engineering marvel...to look temporally back at a ~370k year-old universe? Astounding.
Date: Sat Jan 8 17:27:07 2022
User: redberet
Message:Reading how they had to hold a tolerance of 1.5 millimeters, now has me wondering what type of dimension they are talking about and how they measured it out there. Either way you put it, linear, positional or whatever, that's quite a feat over that large and fragile an object. My bets on a laser tracker.
Date: Sat Jan 8 18:15:23 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:I'm sure you saw this in the long article I posted:
"Ball Aerospace delivered actuators capable of nudging each of the gold hexagons in 10-nanometer increments, one ten-thousandth the width of a hair. Mather said the motors work by “flexing,” or “converting a big motion into a tiny motion,” though Ball’s design, despite being taxpayer-funded, is proprietary."
Date: Sat Jan 8 18:32:09 2022
User: ix
Message:this thing better not affect the weather
Date: Sat Jan 8 20:28:43 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:Well.....................the chemtrails weren't killing enough people by themselves. Had to go "next level".
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