Subject: Never won winnables!
Date: Tue Sep 1 22:45:13 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:Smoot - be the 1st
10 x 1
diff 5
#25695 - 0 for 66
3 of the losses are mine
I thought I had it won the 1st time
next thing I know I didn't
Date: Tue Sep 1 22:52:41 2020
User: byronsmoot
Message:JackStraw
Sorry, probably will not be the first ... off to bed ... will try tomorrow night!
Date: Wed Sep 2 10:22:52 2020
User: joeygray
Message:Game #: 6x5-5 3251
Game stats: 17/1/5.88%
Elapsed: 8:58
Yay!
Date: Wed Sep 2 12:17:14 2020
User: Spud
Message:Game #: 10x1 25695
Game stats: 77/1/1.30%
Difficulty: 5
Elapsed: 1:44
3rd try, spent half an hour failing to work it out, but when I started clicking cards around I spotted the correct opening and then it's easy.
Date: Wed Sep 2 15:23:42 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:a solid 1.3 winning %
well done - maybe someone can play it and get back down below 1%
Date: Wed Sep 2 19:11:40 2020
User: ix
Message:joey, that's fantastic! i don't think i've *ever* won a 6w5 that had been played even a few times and not won. super kudos. i wonder how many of those plays were by players that knew it could be won.
Date: Wed Sep 2 20:17:22 2020
User: smelly_cootiefied_fence_post
Message:6x5 #8812-5
Game stats: 18/1/5.56%
And that was two games after knocking off:
6x5 #2017-5
Plays: 23
Wins: 2
Percentage: 8.70
Date: Wed Sep 2 21:15:59 2020
User: ix
Message:if you're going to lose a streak, lose it to a monster
Game #: 9580
Game stats: 128/0/0.00%
Difficulty: 9
Elapsed: 12:37
Streak was: 49
Date: Wed Sep 2 21:16:36 2020
User: ix
Message:9x2
Date: Thu Sep 3 02:36:39 2020
User: TNmountainman
Message:Now 1/147. (Wasn't me. I didn't try it.)
Date: Thu Sep 3 23:37:42 2020
User: ix
Message:i'll just put in a little work and get that 9x2 streak going again
Game #: 21833
Game stats: 30/0/0.00%
Difficulty: 9
Elapsed: 3:30
Streak was: 41
Date: Sat Sep 5 15:31:33 2020
User: RottinJohn
Message:Got another never played, easy.
7x5 20767
Game stats: 1/1/100.00%
Difficulty: 7
Date: Sat Sep 5 16:06:31 2020
User: Oded789
Message:John, those are extremely common in a ton of variants.
There are many winnable games that have never been played.
IMHO something like 1/5 (after the win), or even 1/10, is kind of an informal threshold for posting on this thread.
Date: Sat Sep 5 20:07:33 2020
User: Kaos
Message:Game #: 6x4 203-5
Game stats: 79/1/1.27%
Elapsed: 2:55
Fourth try was a charm. What's interesting about this game is that I know I gave it multiple attempts over a decade ago because I ran through all of the unsolved 6x4's in the range 1-1000.
If someone wants a challenge, it would be interesting to see if I left any other winnable 6x4-level 5's on the table. Currently. there are now 130 unsolved 6x4's in the 1-1000 range. If this held for all of the deals, then the winnable percentage for climate 5 should be at least 87%
Date: Sat Sep 5 23:07:15 2020
User: Oded789
Message:I don't think free's solver is off on that one: the winnable percentage for level 5 is 89.3%.
Moreover, this is the single variant with the greatest disparity between this data and the actual win rate, which is 24.7% (well, on level 5 that is. On higher levels 6x5 beats that gap).
Date: Sun Sep 6 01:59:27 2020
User: Uberman
Message:This game put me through the wringer. Played as a winnable, so psychologically that made it a little easier, and every time I thought I was at a dead-end, I kept finding some tiny way forward somehow.
Game:- 6x5 #26586
Game stats:- 29/1 3.45%
Time elapsed:- Let's not talk about that
Date: Sun Sep 6 02:35:26 2020
User: Uberman
Message:Kaos, I just bagged #859 for you. #978 was tantalising but I couldn't get it - looks like one of those I would give up on in a tournament to protect my mental health, only for a WRAC or Kaos to solve it just before the bell.
Date: Sun Sep 6 03:11:49 2020
User: Mastermind
Message:Uberman,occasionally even a nonWRAC or a nonKaos can dare solve this type of game 😣
Date: Sun Sep 6 03:35:40 2020
User: Uberman
Message:I did think about listing every player that could potentially win it but decided against it in the end :o) Congrats on solving it nevertheless!
Date: Sun Sep 6 16:01:57 2020
User: Kaos
Message:Yeah, I'd be the first to argue I'm not the best all-around solver. I'm just much higher up the charts for top solvers vs. top speed players when you look at successful tournament players. I think if WRAC and I competed in a doubles solving tournament (where speed was not a factor) against Mastermind and Hop, we'd end up on the losing side most times. But, because WRAC, and now me, are fast enough through the easier games, we give ourselves enough time to pip a lot of tournaments at the end and get well known for it.
Interesting to read that fee@last had run the 6x4 level 5's and gotten to 89.3%. That would mean there should be just twenty or so left on the table out of the first 1000.
Date: Sun Sep 6 16:51:49 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Kaos - that is assuming this 1-1000 batch is an average one, which might not be the case.
There could be also 50 left or none at all (after the two Uberman and Mastermind solved).
Date: Mon Sep 7 13:59:11 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:10 x 1
# 17953
diff. 8
never been played before and broke my 30 game streak
Date: Mon Sep 7 21:17:42 2020
User: Mastermind
Message:Sorry about the streak crash. Probably you were distracted by something. byronsmoot solved it in the first try and so did I. Not too hard a game.
Date: Tue Sep 8 00:29:24 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:just started playing 6 x 5
#3754
diff 5
0 for 18 - 3 are mine
very difficult style of play
Date: Wed Sep 9 15:17:46 2020
User: Klepp
Message:10X3-12 2940 Rather easy, but three previous losses, so I take a pittance of credit.
Date: Fri Sep 11 09:35:07 2020
User: Mastermind
Message:#29646 6x4 5 37/1
Date: Fri Sep 11 12:23:02 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:9 x 2
#7780
diff 5
1/48
Date: Fri Sep 11 12:41:08 2020
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:Did someone just win it today? Looks like you went 0/2 on it. Just curious.
Date: Fri Sep 11 15:47:22 2020
User: byronsmoot
Message:Game #: 9x2 7780
Game stats: 50/2/4.00%
Difficulty: 5
Elapsed: 4:17
2nd try ... I know you have heard this one before, but I really had it locked down on the first try ... yada, yada, yada ... and Denny said I was a loser.
Date: Fri Sep 11 16:08:23 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:Congrats
Date: Sat Sep 12 07:57:06 2020
User: Kaos
Message:I lost this game (which had never been won) and kept playing for a bit but I went back and tracked it down since I had a hunch it might be winnable. Fifth try:
Game #: 8x2 20479-5
Game stats: 32/1/3.13%
Elapsed: 3:29
Date: Sun Sep 13 20:32:07 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:9 x 2
diff. 5
#12932
54/1
3 of the losses are mine
9 of diamonds is the one that beats me
Date: Sun Sep 13 20:59:01 2020
User: byronsmoot
Message:JackStraw
9x2-5: #12932
Clear column 7, then column 8 ... you can work your way home from there.
Date: Wed Sep 16 19:57:19 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Game #: 8x1 13518-3
Elapsed: 3:09
First try and a tournament winner.
1/14 when solved, got to 1/30 before being solved by another player. Currently 2/34.
Date: Thu Sep 17 21:57:31 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Game #: 4x7 29144-3
Game stats: 44/1/2.27%
Another one from a mini-pot (which I didn't play).
4th try; was close on the 2nd but took me a while to spot the little finesse needed to get to the target.
Date: Thu Sep 17 22:45:22 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Game #: 9x2 11562
Game stats: 9/1/11.11%
Difficulty: 9
Elapsed: 5:01
2nd try, after not solving it on a Twelve tourney. Not that hard.
The 4x7 above is definitely more challenging.
Date: Fri Sep 18 15:52:45 2020
User: Kaos
Message:Game #: 8x2 29564-5
Game stats: 41/1/2.44%
Elapsed: 2:26
Streak: 2
Very, very surprised to see the stats on this deal. Obviously, something about it suits the way I like to play.
Date: Sat Sep 19 07:19:05 2020
User: TitanicTony
Message:Game #: 10x0 1429-5; .... Game stats: 25/1/4.00%.
Date: Sat Sep 19 16:06:20 2020
User: Klepp
Message:10-0 2257 first of 57 first try...requires a couple particular moves...
Date: Sat Sep 19 20:01:18 2020
User: Oded789
Message:This one I have to share. Most of the unwinnable 10x0 I've lost today were boring as hell, at least five had little as two moves to be made.
But after losing 29408-5 I was sure I've botched something and was absolutely stunned to see 0/74.
A few brief tries didn't give anything.
Is it really unwinnable? I'd be surprised if that is the case.
Date: Sun Sep 20 07:59:04 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Another nice one from a mini:
Game #: 4x9 25842-5
Game stats: 15/1/6.67%
Elapsed: 6:54
Any experts about the 10x0 above?
Date: Sun Sep 20 17:30:16 2020
User: cellmate
Message:
Game #: 12x0 9728
Game stats: 40/1/2.50%
Difficulty: 5
Elapsed: 9:03
6th try
Date: Sun Sep 20 18:58:09 2020
User: firenze
Message:I am watching the Washington team vs the Arizona Cardinals, and I can barely make out what the announcers are saying because the fake crowd noise is so loud.
Date: Fri Sep 25 17:37:29 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Spud won a 6x5 AIO today by winning 31974-4, then 1/24, now 2/31.
Linked below in a separate thread.
The Zany Zero featured an interesting 9x0 in which you can easily send half the deck home and clear a column yet I'm not at all sure it's winnable (I'd put in some other 9x0 thread if it was possible to search for these), 32359-1.
Link: 6x5 31974-4
Date: Fri Sep 25 18:06:23 2020
User: Spud
Message:Think the 9x0 is unwinnable, at least by me. Whatever I try there is just no way the 9C is ever going to move.
Date: Tue Sep 29 12:29:14 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Game #: 12x1 19984
Game stats: 13/1/7.69%
Difficulty: 8
Elapsed: 7:23
Not that hard.
Date: Thu Oct 1 21:38:45 2020
User: Oded789
Message:7x4 3485-6 solved by PhilN on the 6th try (now 1/64) deserves a honorable mention here, not least because it was brought up by sebcbien while streaking 7x4 winnable.
I failed to solve it in about 5 tries.
Date: Thu Oct 1 21:45:06 2020
User: JackStraw
Message:6 x 5
diff. 6
# 30889
0 / 33
3 are mine
busted an 11 game streak
Date: Thu Oct 1 22:30:55 2020
User: Oded789
Message:Now 1/39.
A tough nut to crack, at least for me. Wouldn't want to get that in a streak.
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