Subject: Competition 2016

Date: Wed Feb 17 05:48:26 2016
User: roo
Message:
recovery! 3,5,5,5,3,2,1 = 2250

Date: Wed Feb 17 06:41:44 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Tease away, TN! Whatever floats your boat...

Date: Wed Feb 17 06:58:43 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
New results format, with 2 divisions. Only kangaroo's results have been updated!

Ra-										No.	Divi-
nks		10x0	9x1	8x2	7x3	6x4	5x5	4x6	Product	> 0	sion	Players:
==	======	======	======	======	======	======	======	======	=======	===	===	==========
1	16/02/16	5	1	12	17	7	3	2	42840.0	7	1	Darkosi
2	16/02/16	4	6	7	8	5	2	1	13440.0	7	1	ElGuapo
3	17/02/16	3	5	5	5	3	2	1	2250.0	7	1	kangaroo
4	16/02/16	3	2	5	5	3	2	1	900.0	7	1	kangaroo
5	16/02/16	1	3	4	3	1	1	1	36.0	7	1	WRAC
6	16/02/16	3	0.9	10	5	5	2	0.9	1215.0	5	2	Mastermind
7	16/02/16	0.9	10	4	11	0.9	0.9	0.9	288.7	3	2	TitanicTony
8	16/02/16	1	3	1	0.9	1	2	0.9	4.9	5	2	rws33315

Date: Wed Feb 17 15:48:12 2016
User: roo
Message:
Nice Tony but I'm not sure why I'm listed twice though. A question - you write the date dd/mm/yy the way the British, most other countries and we Aussies do. Does that mean you are not from the US? Your user name does give a clue.

Date: Wed Feb 17 16:49:35 2016
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
Nice of Darkosi to propose a new competition where he has a huge head start. (Smile). May I propose a new competition with similar rules - multiply current streak for all the WINNABLES. To get it started (if I play a 4x10 and win it) here's my score - 67x43x32x41x121x30x58x74x1,091x381. Too much for my calculator but Excel says that's 24,478,971,005,338,000,000. Anyone?

Date: Wed Feb 17 16:53:46 2016
User: ix
Message:
yes, me! shall we start a separate thread?

Date: Wed Feb 17 17:06:02 2016
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
Yes but the numbers are too large. There are about 5 E+19 (5 times 10 to the power of 19) atoms in a grain of sand, so I propose we measure results in terms of grains of sand. My score is 0.489 grains.

Date: Thu Feb 18 06:35:01 2016
User: roo
Message:
3,5,5,6,4,2,1 = 3600

Date: Fri Feb 19 05:08:54 2016
User: roo
Message:
4,5,6,6,4,2,1 = 5760

Date: Fri Feb 19 07:00:22 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Good going roo! To answer your earlier Q's: 1) You were listed twice simply because you had 2 results and could therefore see your improvement. This is unnecessary, as one can just check the previous tables. 2) I am American, born in Los Angeles (1939), and have lived in Switzerland since 1965. I worked at the World Health Organization from 1968 until 2004, and they insisted on British English! I think that for my next 10-sum games tabulation, I will use "current" streak from the All-time List, and not just for the last 2 weeks. And, I will change all of the zeros to ones (not 0.9). Us lesser mortals need all of the help we can get, imo!

Date: Fri Feb 19 18:09:45 2016
User: roo
Message:
Thanks for telling us your background Tony. I may have just provided an argument for keeping it as at the last two weeks only. I just extended my 4x6 streak to two (got it in one) and therefore doubled my score to 11520. Doing it the way you suggest, I wouldn't play another 4x6. Now 4,5,6,6,4,2,2 = 11520

Date: Sat Feb 20 04:44:24 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
@roo: 1) You're welcome! 2) It would certainly be fine with me if you didn't play another 4x6, but Darkosi (and others) may not agree!? As stated previously, I will (almost certainly) never play a 4x6 (or 5x5), and will happily remain in Division 2.

Date: Sat Feb 20 07:14:14 2016
User: roo
Message:
4,5,6,6,4,3,2=17280

Date: Sat Feb 20 11:25:10 2016
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
Well, after playing 15 games of 4x6, losing every one, none of which had previously been won either, that's the end of me playing sum 10's. Have at it Darkosi, I like winning games.

Date: Sat Feb 20 19:54:11 2016
User: Kaos
Message:
Interesting competition. Can't decide if it's the FC equivalent of Russian roulette or maybe a downhill ski race. You will likely need to go all out to win but it's easy to lose it all. "One player has 6-14-14-14-9-4-2, the product of which is 1,185,408. " Another has: 5,15,20,17,12,5,2 = 3,060,000

Date: Sat Feb 20 21:23:05 2016
User: roo
Message:
Kaos, is that current current or ancient current?

Date: Sat Feb 20 22:10:42 2016
User: Kaos
Message:
That's definitely not current. Just my daily bests.

Date: Mon Feb 22 12:08:17 2016
User: rws33315
Message:
1,3,3,3,2,2,1=108

Date: Tue Feb 23 06:49:45 2016
User: roo
Message:
4,5,6,6,5,3,2=21600 I had to play about 200 games of 6x4 to progress. I'm worn out!

Date: Tue Feb 23 06:52:46 2016
User: roo
Message:
Speaking of 6x4, after one of the games I won I was shocked to see it was 1/57. It wasn't that hard. Yet I lose lots of 50%, even 75% won games.

Date: Tue Feb 23 07:44:39 2016
User: hotnurse
Message:
Roo, it was probably a game in a tournament that was played quickly by someone who wasn't that good in that variant...yikes, maybe even me!

Date: Tue Feb 23 15:45:52 2016
User: roo
Message:
Possibly hotnurse. The number of plays, 57, looks to be typical of a level 5 6x4 though, but then again I did come across one which had been played only about 8 times. However random statistics can work like that.

Date: Wed Feb 24 06:32:20 2016
User: roo
Message:
4,6,7,7,5,3,2 = 35,280

Date: Sat Feb 27 07:46:58 2016
User: roo
Message:
5,6,7,7,5,3,2 = 44,100 There's a loophole in this competition. You can reset your current "Idle" status to zero days by playing the 10-sum in a tournament without it affecting your streak, and therefore remain active. I don't know if 4x6 and 5x5 are in tournaments, but all the others are.

Date: Sun Feb 28 07:01:26 2016
User: roo
Message:
5,6,10,11,5,3,2 = 99000 Last I looked Darkosi was about double that.

Date: Sun Feb 28 10:57:16 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
WOW, I'm impressed, and inspired to do another table sometime this coming week...

Date: Sun Feb 28 15:02:30 2016
User: Kaos
Message:
4,8,12,12,3,5,2 = 138,240

Date: Sun Feb 28 15:56:27 2016
User: Kaos
Message:
4,8,12,12,4,5,2 = 183,420 (interesting: same digits as before just re-arranged)

Date: Sun Feb 28 17:55:10 2016
User: kangaroo
Message:
5,6,11,11,5,3,2 = 108,900 Moving to level 6 games, suddenly they are showing as 1/1.

Date: Mon Feb 29 08:00:51 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Yep, most of the 10-sum level 6 games have never been played! Oops, you've gone down a bit. In my next table, should I use strictly "current" results, or "best recent results"? Maybe I will give you 2 lines again! Also, I am tempted to use the "monthly" results, instead of current!!?? Opinions/comments?

Date: Mon Feb 29 08:41:54 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
OOPS, there isn't a "monthly" results data column, so skip that idea!

Date: Mon Feb 29 11:24:47 2016
User: Kaos
Message:
4,8,12,12,5,5,2 = 230,400 Pausing the 6x4 streak although the instinct is to keep going until a loss

Date: Mon Feb 29 13:05:23 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Here is my latest 10-sum Competition table:
1) I have taken all of the data from the "current" column in the "All-time" Table with "current streak > 0, and then deleted all of the data (about 90%) that has an "Idle Time" greater than about 60 days. This is a much less exacting standard of "current" than Darkosi originally proposed. There is a real problem with the results bing very sensitive to exactly when the data is collected -- one minute a player has a streak of 10 (or whatever), and the next minute it is zero!
2) I have adjusted my data for Kaos, and kangaroo, to use what they have recently posted.
3) In the case of kangaroo, it is not her "current" result, but her "recent" best result (posted on 28.02.2016)!!
4) Criticisms / comments / suggestions nyone???

Ra-										No.	Divi-
nks	Dates:	10x0	9x1	8x2	7x3	6x4	5x5	4x6	Product	> 0	sion	Players:
==	======	====	====	====	====	====	====	====	=======	===	===	==========
1	29/02/16	4	8	12	12	5	5	2	230400	7	1	Kaos
2	29/02/16	2	12	13	21	5	3	2	196560	7	1	Darkosi
3	28/02/16	5	6	11	11	5	3	2	108900	7	1	kangaroo
4	29/02/16	1	7	10	7	4	2	1	3920	7	1	WRAC
5	29/02/16	45	10	4	14	0	0	0	25200	4	2	TitanicTony
6	29/02/16	0	6	7	8	5	2	1	3360	6	2	ElGuapo
7	29/02/16	0	3	5	5	4	2	2	1200	6	2	d164280
8	29/02/16	26	2	3	2	0	2	0	624	5	2	Goosey_Goosey_Gander
9	29/02/16	53	0	1	3	3	0	0	477	4	2	gilbertgame27171
10	29/02/16	3	3	3	4	3	0	0	324	5	2	snoverdavid
11	29/02/16	9	4	0	1	8	0	0	288	4	2	Zonny
12	29/02/16	0	15	15	0	0	0	0	225	2	2	Klepp
13	29/02/16	2	3	3	3	2	2	0	216	6	2	rws33315
14	29/02/16	0	7	0	0	3	4	2	168	4	2	Mastermind

Date: Mon Feb 29 14:44:14 2016
User: roo
Message:
Thanks for giving me some latitude Tony. Those darn 9x1s are hard to recover. One other thing, I'm usually mistaken for being female, but I'm a "he". :)

Date: Mon Feb 29 14:44:36 2016
User: rws33315
Message:
Several mistakes jump out! The all-time best 10x0 is 11.

Date: Mon Feb 29 14:53:29 2016
User: WRAC
Message:
Thanks, Tony. It's nice to see all the data in one place. However, if you look again, you'll see I have a current 10x0 streak of 3, not 1, and have had it for 5 days. This gives me a score of 13,440... Not that I think I have much chance of catching those in front of me; one has limited hours in life, and I don't want to waste too many trying to get a good streak in 4x6. :-)

Date: Mon Feb 29 15:42:05 2016
User: d164280
Message:
I also have a current streak in 10x0 of 7, not 0.

Date: Mon Feb 29 15:58:24 2016
User: roo
Message:
It looks like current 10x1 has been mistakenly used for most players.

Date: Mon Feb 29 16:10:17 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
I'm sorry friends! Roo (a "he") is correct -- apparently I clicked on 10x1 by mistake, instead of 10x0 -- the entire 10x0 column is incorrect (except for Kaos and kangaroo)! I will try to do a correction tomorrow -- not only did several players (me included) get inflated 10x0 results, but others got less! The trials and tribulations of "manual" data processing!!

Date: Mon Feb 29 17:18:27 2016
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Well, the corrections weren't THAT difficult, so here is my "corrected" 10-sum Variants Competition Table (Darkosi is back on top). Also, I have deleted "gilbertgame27171" whos results were reduced to only 9:

Ra-										No.	Divi-
nks	Dates:	10x0	9x1	8x2	7x3	6x4	5x5	4x6	Product	> 0	sion	Players:
==	======	====	====	====	====	====	====	====	=======	===	===	==========
1	29/02/16	4	12	13	21	5	3	2	393120	7	1	Darkosi
2	29/02/16	4	8	12	12	5	5	2	230400	7	1	Kaos
3	28/02/16	5	6	11	11	5	3	2	108900	7	1	kangaroo
4	29/02/16	3	7	10	7	4	2	1	11760	7	1	WRAC
5	29/02/16	7	3	5	5	4	2	2	8400	7	1	d164280
6	29/02/16	0	6	7	8	5	2	1	3360	6	2	ElGuapo
7	29/02/16	0	10	4	14	0	0	0	560	3	2	TitanicTony
8	29/02/16	0	15	15	0	0	0	0	225	2	2	Klepp
9	29/02/16	2	3	3	3	2	2	0	216	6	2	rws33315
10	29/02/16	0	7	0	0	3	4	2	168	4	2	Mastermind
11	29/02/16	0	3	3	4	3	0	0	108	4	2	snoverdavid
12	29/02/16	0	4	0	1	8	0	0	32	3	2	Zonny
13	29/02/16	1	2	3	2	0	2	0	24	5	2	Goosey_Goosey_Gander

Date: Mon Feb 29 21:25:25 2016
User: Kaos
Message:
4,8,12,12,6,5,2 = 276,480 I got the 6x4 streak up to 6 but failed on the 7th. Look like Darkosi has been busy.

Date: Tue Mar 1 05:17:42 2016
User: roo
Message:
5,7,11,11,5,3,2 = 127,050 Note to self: DON'T do that again!

Date: Wed Mar 2 08:06:28 2016
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
I had a streak of 2 in 6x4. It's 3 now. Thanks for your work.

Date: Thu Mar 3 08:10:20 2016
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
I just played 15 games of 4x6. no wins. No game had ever been won. Add that to the 15 tries a few days ago, 15 games that had also never been won and that's it for me. No fun playing games like that.

Date: Thu Mar 3 08:18:49 2016
User: Goosey_Goosey_Gander
Message:
Looking at the cumulative game stats a level 6 game has never been won and level 5 games won 4.88%. That makes the chance of getting to a streak of 2 - 0.238% or I chance in 420.

Date: Thu Mar 3 15:10:01 2016
User: roo
Message:
Seeing as the all time highest streak for 4x6 is only 4, it's not surprising that no level 6 games have been won. Looking at the game stats for level 6, only four games have ever been played (three of them multiple times) for no wins. It was probably the same person who played them all. Clearly 4x6 is not played in tournaments.

Date: Thu Mar 3 18:18:03 2016
User: roo
Message:
5,7,12,11,5,3,2 = 138,600

Date: Fri Mar 4 15:19:39 2016
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Just now, whilst doing some other research for G_G_G (on Hotel Netcell), I came across a thread that was at the Hotel entitled: "Open-ended 10-sum streak 'competition'". ElGuapo was the last poster(??) to post to that thread (Dec. 19, 2012). I sort of doubt that competition was the same as this one, but perhaps someone who used to post over there could refresh our memory of that one??

Date: Mon Mar 7 06:20:56 2016
User: kangaroo
Message:
The highest I reached was 151,200 on 3rd March (US time). That was 5,7,12,12,5,3,2. I've now played out all variants to a loss and set some new best streaks in the process. I haven't got time to play this any more. It's been fun. Thanks Darkosi for the idea and TitanicTony for the updates.

Date: Tue Mar 15 00:01:53 2016
User: Mastermind
Message:
On Sunday,13/3/16 reached scores of 3,14,12,11,8,4,3 (532224).Too much of a bother, this Snake and Ladders competition.Like roo started dismantling the scores one by one.