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Subject: A Great Loss for Baseball


Date: Mon Mar 13 21:50:48 2023
User: Klepp
Message:
"Brooklyn’s Park Slope" sounds like the kind of neighborhood I could perchance have grown up in, karma being smart-alecky...maybe I could make it out of a place like that unscathed the same way Scorsese likely did as a kid (shutting one's trap, not causing waves, avoiding confrontations).

Date: Mon May 8 05:01:38 2023
User: Klepp
Message:
"Former MVP left-hander Vida Blue passed away at the age of 73, per an announcement by the Athletics. “There are few players with a more decorated career than Vida Blue.” the A’s said in a statement, “Vida will always be a franchise legend and a friend. We send our deepest condolences to his family and friends during this arduous time.” A six-time All Star and three-time World Series champion, Blue played seventeen seasons in the major leagues, with fifteen of them being played in the Bay Area. Blue debuted as a 19-year-old for the Athletics in 1969, their second season in Oakland after moving there from Kansas City after the 1967 season. Blue pitched just 80 2/3 innings over his first two seasons in the majors, but upon shifting into a full time role as a 21-year-old during the 1971 season, Blue would turn in an incredible performance."--mlbtraderumors.con

Link: Vida Blue (1949-2023)

Date: Mon May 8 06:48:15 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Blue is the answer to a pretty nice trivia question.......

Date: Mon May 8 23:34:54 2023
User: JackStraw
Message:
I googled it

Date: Mon May 8 23:47:39 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Pretty tricky question, huh?

Date: Tue May 9 10:56:26 2023
User: JackStraw
Message:
same team same time Vida Blue Blue Moon Odom Two of the great names in baseball history

Date: Fri Dec 29 11:52:49 2023
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Hopefully news I saw on Big Hurt was fallacious.


Date: Fri Dec 29 13:38:10 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:

You might consider another news source. 


Date: Fri Dec 29 16:51:06 2023
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:
Some dimwit likely mistook Frank Thomas for recently deceased big boy Frank Howard...though even to the extent of broadcasting Big Hurt homering vs. Randy Johnson back in the day, and a "1968-2023" under his pic...yeesh.

Date: Fri Dec 29 17:10:27 2023
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I'd suspected poor reporting since Baseball Reference and Wikipedia'd not made note of it.


Date: Fri Dec 29 19:23:47 2023
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:

I mean........shouldn't the Big Hurt be nigh unto immortal now with that Nugenix he touts?


Date: Fri Dec 29 19:41:46 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:

… she likes it, too. 😂


Date: Fri Dec 29 20:32:13 2023
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I recall reading an unreal status that Big Hurt shares with a mere three others all time in the game...lifetime 500HR, 1600BB, .300avg....and one other stat I can't recall...likely shared with solely Williams and Mays and Bonds (my guess)...


Date: Sun Dec 31 00:40:49 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:

Nothing’bout how this story came out on Faux News?


Date: Fri Feb 23 14:24:01 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Death of a superstar...ah yes, I faintly recall my dear old dad telling me stories of seeing this feller skedaddling around old Phillies' Ball Grounds...


Ed Delahanty


Date: Fri Feb 23 14:39:23 2024
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:

Exceeded his rookie limits in 1888................


Date: Fri Feb 23 15:27:49 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Wow! When was your dad born? My grandmother would have been three years old when Delahanty died.


Date: Fri Feb 23 20:06:35 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Hammerin' Hank Aaron...passing just short of his 87th.



Date: Sat Feb 24 00:03:52 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:

I hope the 9 guys who voted against Hank for The Hall all had their voting privileges permanently revoked............but we all know how that particular 'game' is 'played', sadly.


Date: Sat Feb 24 08:07:34 2024
User: outskirts
Message:

Myself coming from a long line of late breeders, know it's entirely possible that Brew's dad could have been watching Ed in Philly. Grandparents around Ed's age, some younger some older. If my granddad had started breeding 20 years earlier than he did (and he could have), then my dad could easily have been at those games. And he still would have been well within his breeding years and able to produce ME at the same time I came out. 


Date: Sat Feb 24 15:32:21 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Good point. I guess I should have asked a different question: Wow, BrewCrewOldSkool, when was your dad born?


Date: Sat Feb 24 19:54:39 2024
User: outskirts
Message:
My ancestors also had fantastic longevity. 

Date: Sat Feb 24 22:19:23 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I had little difficulty identifying with young Fulgencio Joseph Pritchett.


Date: Sun Feb 25 07:55:16 2024
User: outskirts
Message:

Jay's youngest!


Date: Fri Mar 15 06:12:58 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Bill Plummer (Big Red Machine's backup C) 1947-2024


Date: Wed Apr 17 19:41:00 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Whitey Herzog 1931-2024


Date: Wed Apr 17 23:17:06 2024
User: buddhabob
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Date: Wed Apr 17 23:57:03 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Are you old enough to remember '82, Brew?  Hated that.


Date: Thu Apr 18 00:00:57 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Carl Erskine 1927-2024


Carl Erskine - Career Dodger



I saw him throw a three hitter versus the Braves back in '55...rookie Henry Aaron doubled and homered twice (no other hits for MIL) while Lew Burdette threw like a champ, 4-1 victory.


League hadn't learned yet walking *44* was the safer way to go.


Date: Thu Apr 18 00:03:48 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:

You saw Erskine pitch?  Wow.  You're older than I thought........


Date: Thu Apr 18 01:32:57 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I miss *44*...what a fabulous spokesperson he was for Brew City.


Date: Fri Apr 19 02:19:37 2024
User: ScreamingStratocaster
Message:

So who did you root for after the Braves left and before the Brewers came into existence?

Even though I'm never been anywhere near the state of Ohio I'm still a hardcore Reds fan because I idolized Johnny Bench when I was a boy.  The days of the Big Red Machine Rose, Morgan, Perez, Concepcion, Foster, Griffey...some of my best memories.  We will be giving your Brew Crew a run for their money in the Central this year (hey don't laugh it could happen), if pitching can hold up....that's a big if. 


Date: Fri Apr 19 02:26:13 2024
User: ScreamingStratocaster
Message:

I guess nobody noticed or you had to be a Reds fan from the 70's to know who Don Gullett was, but he died recently too.  I remember being crushed when we lost him to Yanks in free agency.  He was inducted to the Reds HOF in 2002.


Date: Fri Apr 19 21:38:57 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:

We had no MLB team in my state when I was growing up, so one had to adopt some other team. I love the Cubbies because of my dad, but the Big Red Machine was fun to watch. Sparkie was an early advocate of using as many pitchers as necessary to get through the game. I knew Gullett well (by way of watching him on the tube). 


Date: Fri Apr 19 22:02:11 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:

I also knew that team (and thus who Gullett was), and despised them because of Marge Schott, and their/her clean-cut disciplinarian ways - among other well-known negative Schott-isms.  Not to mention the Pete Rose issues(s).  So I always (and still do, to this day, actually) called them "the Rednecks".  Pleased to say several of my friends did as well, altho that seems to have fallen by the wayside as the eras have changed.  Maybe not quite so bad as the bobby knight and woody hayes associations, but pretty far in that direction.  

Yet one could not help being impressed with their talent and "machine"-ness.  And.........purely unrelatedly........because I had some extended family living in far northern KY, the very first major league games I saw were in delightful Crosley Field (of course before the Machine era).  Even as a youngster, I remember looking out past the outfield stands and seeing how the houses were built up on the hills - taller, closer together, etc.  I think it may have been my first (in-person) inkling about differences between the north and the south.


Date: Sat Apr 20 21:22:22 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Joe Morgan was always my very favorite Red...with his distinctive pump action (timing mechanism, I assumed).


Date: Sun Apr 21 05:48:30 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Well, this isn't a person who was just lost, but a reflection back to the loss of strategy from disallowing defensive shifting.  A *terrible* loss of potential strategy (and Herzog mention(s)):

The Past, Present, and Future of Baseball’s Most Daring Defense - The Ringer

Too bad that "Future" has disappeared.....


Date: Sun Apr 21 15:13:24 2024
User: ScreamingStratocaster
Message:

I hate the shift, so many times one of my Red's hitters hits the ball right on the nose but it's right at someone due to the shift, so I'm glad to see it go.  Plus, the rule only prohibits extreme shifts so I'm good with that.  What I hate is the recent extra innings rule, putting some one on second to start the inning, that is NOT baseball.  People are too concerned with cutting down the amount of time it takes to finish games, which overall I'd like to see but it depends on how you do it.  For instance, I like the pitch clock they have instituted.  I can't remember now and don't feel like going to look it up but don't the batters have new rules concerning when they can step out of the box or maybe it's umps aren't as likely to call time so batters can step out...i'd like that.


Date: Sun Apr 21 16:16:45 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:

I don't like the man-on-second thing, either, but agree the clock was kinda necessary.  But the shift..............it was a wonderful tool to make your opponents' think - or do something different.  Part of being a hitter (imo) is/was being able to hit to all fields - "hit it where they ain't".  A skill that's just being lost as the powers-that-be (both puns intended) pander to the "strikeout or HR" crowd.  The thing that elevates baseball above football and even basketball is that strategy component - those almost countless nuances where the location and speed of each pitch, and where the fielders stand for each batter and each situation, etc., etc., etc.  Some - not all - of that has been lost. 


Date: Wed Apr 24 04:15:17 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

2005 CHW



I was so impressed by that team (Ozzie: genius)...and it had five tools plus plus...(I've suffered through MIL annual failures and have become inured--but yeah--CHW may win fewer regular-season games than they did in 2002 (Dave Lopes: Worst MLB Manager ever)...or, even as BAL did in 2018 (though Buck had little to work with)).


But it is early.


Date: Wed May 1 19:11:43 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

The Switch Hitter in Baseball Is Going Extinct


Date: Wed May 1 19:19:04 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

SS Adames had 2E today...but his 2HR 4RBI day at the plate more than made up for it.


Date: Fri May 3 03:28:56 2024
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:

Your switch-hitter link doesn't work, in case you didn't know yet.


Date: Fri May 3 10:37:20 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I noticed, but the title's descriptive, and I posted it in this particular "great loss" thread...likely easily found by search engine (Wall Street Journal article, I believe).


Date: Fri May 3 12:19:55 2024
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:

That's lazy, man.  At the very least you could edit your original post to so indicate that issue.


Date: Fri May 3 12:58:16 2024
User: FilthyMcNasty
Message:

Baseball -- the universal language.


Date: Sat May 4 01:20:49 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I would have removed it had I seen "Edit your post"...but that's not been appending recent posts...IDK why.



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