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Date: Fri Oct 1 17:26:10 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Surprised you didn't mention your earlier post from February. I think that question has been answered fairly definitively - and in a manner you couldn't have expected.

Date: Fri Oct 1 18:29:39 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
154 combined victories so far, 160 max...have exceeded the dour forecast of 150 well enough. Atlanta is offensively powerful even without their most exciting player...his teammate Albies is underrated, and an unreal bargain at, what was his contract? $90 million for nine years, or so? And their trade deadline pick-ups have smashed the ball: Soler, Pedersen Duvall...I'd like to see the Brewers' starters throw 26 innings, and give up fewer than 12 runs, in a Milwaukee 4-1 series victory.

Date: Fri Oct 1 18:31:21 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
4-1 would make sense if it were an NLDS seven game series...I of course mean 3-1.

Date: Fri Oct 1 18:44:33 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
So the Brew Crew are due to meet the Bravos? (Had no idea; haven't followed it that closely.) Altho I have a family friend on the Brewers, gotta root for the Braves for the same reasoning that one roots for the Indians - the Native American empathy angle. But since you live in Milwaukee, as I recall, you get a pass, of course.

Date: Fri Oct 1 19:01:06 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
I thankfully don't live in the city (with all due respect to it)...that would probably have driven me nuts years ago...rural as a kid, exurbanite as an adult...24 hour gas and food still at least two or three miles away now...

Date: Mon Oct 4 02:44:22 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
This stuff maybe should go into the "Statistical anomaly in baseball" thread........but since it's so timely, and we've been discussing the upcoming playoffs, here it is: ESPN: The (division-winning) Braves spent 126 days without a winning record, the fourth-most by a division winner since 1969, and the most since the 1989 Blue Jays. Also.............the Giants victory today was #107, for the franchise record, topping the 1904 NY Giants team (who of course played fewer games). The Dodgers finished 1 game behind the Giants with 106 wins, which I think(?) is the record for a team not winning a division. It's certainly the best record ever for a wild card team. The "batting against" average of the Dodgers opponents was a paltry .207 for the season. The only team since 1900 to have a lower mark during a full season was the Indians with a .206 in 1968, the year of the pitcher. [ESPN] {Of course it didn't hurt that that year the Tribe had (Sudden) Sam McDowell, Sonny Seibert, and El Tiante, among others. Best staff in baseball; but unfortunately, they couldn't capitalize on it. No regular player hit over .281, nobody hit more than 14 HR (Horton), or more than 59 RBI (Horton). That's some anemic stuff right there. 'Course it *was* "the year of the pitcher". } (And of course the Dodgers *do* have great pitching.) And................at the other end of the standings...............................the Orioles finished 39 games behind the next closest team in their division. The only other team since 1900 to be 35-plus games behind every team in its division (or league, prior to 1969) at any point in a season was the 1916 A's, who finished 40 games behind the next-worst team, the Senators. [ESPN] Every other team in their division not only had a winning record - but had a winning record by AT LEAST twenty games. Further.........3 of those 4 higher-finishing teams will be in the playoffs, and the Blue Jays were left out in the cold by 1 game. Tough comp. Individually................................. Toronto's Marcus Semien and Bo Bichette became the first primary second base/shortstop combination to drive in 100 runs in a season since Bobby Doerr and Vern Stephens of the 1950 Red Sox, and Semien and Bichette reached the mark in the same game. Semien got to 100 with his 44th home run, breaking Davey Johnson's record for the most home runs in a season by a primary second baseman. And the Blue Jays became the first team since RBIs were made official in 1920 to have four 100-RBI players (Semien, Bichette, Teoscar Hernandez and Vlad Guerrero Jr.), all of whom were recording the first 100-RBI season of their career. [ESPN] That last thing about 4-100 RBI guys for the Jays is astounding. Too bad they couldn't have taken the place of the Yankees or Red Sox in the playoffs. I'm sure there's some more weird stats out there about this season, but that's enough for now.

Date: Mon Oct 4 09:24:50 2021
User: BuzzClik
Message:
The Mariners and Bluejays bumping the Yankees and the Red Sox would have been a nice way to inject new blood into the playoffs. On the positive side, at least one of those teams will be out as of Tuesday.

Date: Mon Oct 4 10:40:41 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
And at least one of the Cards and Dodgers.

Date: Mon Oct 4 15:45:18 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
Tough for the '68 Tribe's batters, their ballpark (which held 80 grand) was pretty cavernous too, if I recall. I too was rooting for the Blue Jays bombers. (Marcus Semien now a free agent?)

Date: Mon Oct 4 16:07:35 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Yes, you are correct about "Municipal Stadium".

Date: Mon Oct 4 16:11:01 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
............as I continue to be stymied by posting pictures-in-comments........ Wish Denny would post explicit directions on how to do that on the "Pictures" page. Have to figure it out each time I try..... But don't think I'll try again on this one.

Date: Mon Oct 4 16:42:46 2021
User: ix
Message:
if you put it in the link box, it should have worked.

Date: Mon Oct 4 16:44:15 2021
User: ix
Message:
might be the # messing it up

Date: Mon Oct 4 23:35:09 2021
User: WRAC
Message:
Out of curiosity, trying this:

Date: Mon Oct 4 23:40:03 2021
User: WRAC
Message:
Oh, I see ix already figured this out in another thread. Sorry, ix!

Date: Tue Oct 5 17:56:14 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
Will Bucky Dent be watching tonight's game? Who gave up his home run? Was it Spaceman Bill Lee?

Date: Tue Oct 5 21:53:08 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Bucky's not only watching........he's there in person, and had a moderate-length on-camera interview from the stand. His HR was off Mike(?) Torrez, not Spaceman. But, FWIW............Spaceman is still around, doing promo-type stuff. He even pitched a complete game win at age 65 in an independent league game (NOT a senior league) in CA, and does other crazy baseball-related stuff. Has set lots of records in terms of age-related pitching and playing. Neat article about Bucky, Torrez, and the corked bat.....

Link: Bucky, Mike, and the corked bat

Date: Tue Oct 5 21:57:09 2021
User: mrbuck
Message:
Mike Torrez.

Date: Tue Oct 5 23:24:16 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
And yes, (freecell) Bucky........we know you would never, ever stoop to using a corked bat. Corked wines are your thing...

Date: Wed Oct 6 20:13:48 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
This 2021 NL Wild Card Game must have six future HOFers on the rosters...(likely Kershaw's already off the roster)...

Date: Wed Oct 6 20:15:19 2021
User: mrbuck
Message:
I use a corked deck. mrbuck

Date: Thu Oct 7 00:40:07 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
OK, arguably the two best teams in all of baseball are playing in the next round (Dodgers; SF Giants). Wouldn’t it be much better if the top teams in each league could pick their next round opponent (instead of using a fixed formula)? There’s no way SF is picking the winner of the Dodgers/Cardinals series as their next opponent.!! Every other team in the playoffs is going to be an easier opponent. Instead, all that finishing with the best record in all of baseball is going to get you is a quarter final date with the 2nd best team in all of baseball. That’s crazy.

Date: Thu Oct 7 17:00:00 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
It's sort of nice Marlins dude being sort of camouflaged at Houston home games.

Date: Thu Oct 7 22:33:08 2021
User: Katya
Message:
Even though the Cardinals lost to the Dodgers the one-game wild card playoff was one of the best games I've seen in quite a while. (I'm from St Louis).

Date: Fri Oct 15 01:19:02 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Very tragic way for that Giants-Dodgers tussle to end. That should be reviewable. Even tho I'm not a fan of either of those teams, it's just sickening that, with so much riding on it for so many people........there can't be a better way. Yeah, I know. ......."it's part of the game", blah, blah, blah. But it shouldn't be.

Date: Fri Oct 15 03:45:52 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
And, blah blah blah. Why were the only teams that won over 100! games even playing against each other so early? Imagine the drama if this had been game 7 of the World Series? How often have two 100-win teams even met in a World Series?

Date: Fri Oct 15 05:31:34 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Well, I know - and you mentioned that earlier. Like the NFL does it, but NOT like March Madness does it. It gives predictability to the stadiums, but that's a trivial matter in the grand scheme of things. On the other hand............most folks *like* the way March Madness does it - it gives underdogs a greater chance to make noise. And, for example, it's a great story when wild card teams make it to the Series. But that doesn't help the teams that won well over 100 games, and now are watching on TV. Just two different philosophies. Personally...........I'm not sure there's all that much difference between a 106-107-game winner, and a 99-game winner. It so much depends on situations, pitchers, match-ups, etc., etc. Not to mention the strengths of the divisions. In this case, tho, there's pretty strong evidence that the two best teams were the Dodgers and Giants, so I agree with you. Except, imo, one still wants the Series to be between the AL and NL. Two different cultures, so there's drama just from that. But I tend to agree with you that these two teams shouldn't have had to face each other until the League Championship. I know the Championship series in 2017 between the Dodgers and the (cheating) 'stros was one in which both teams had won over 100, but I think that was the first time in a very long time. [And now that I wrote that........I went and looked.............] See link. (And remember, prior to 1961(?) it was harder, because the season was only 154 games - like it still should be. So there might have been more cases, had they played 162 back prior to then.)

Link: 100+ game winners meeting in the postseason

Date: Sat Oct 16 23:05:04 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
The Braves can possibly beat LAD in a seven game series...but really, their bullpen may be too stacked for the Braves to outlast... I'd like to see the Braves win the pennant and WS...they haven't had it all since 1995? My dad's recollections of the Braves' 1957 WS winner are foggy, or just vacant...(how could a Generation X-age Wisconsinite forget 1982? by now?)... Of course I'll root BOS over HOU, but it's really no big deal to me anymore since Red Sox fan got his three times, new days, over Yankees, again...

Date: Sat Oct 16 23:18:00 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
Sometimes victories are grasped because of superior, error-free base running...nice ending...

Date: Sun Oct 17 23:33:07 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
This Braves-Dodgers series, already, in 2 games, has been a graduate-level seminar in baseball strategy, nuance, psychology, and just how close-to-the-margin things are at this level. The mental aspects are about as important, or moreso, than the actual hittin', throwin', and catchin'. Deep stuff.....

Date: Tue Oct 19 21:48:46 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
Matzek and Minter were so effective, and it's a bit difficult to critique Jackson too much, because BELLINGER'S HOMER WAS 96MPH A FOOT AND A HALF NORTH OF THE STRIKE ZONE. (He's likely banging on Lauren Shehadi tonight, if he wants.)

Date: Thu Oct 28 13:38:30 2021
User: redberet
Message:
It's much easier to enjoy the series when there's no vested interest. In this years case, I don't know which team I'd rather see lose. For me it's a win win situation.

Date: Thu Oct 28 14:02:11 2021
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:
1. "Braves" - go with sympathies for Native Americans for how invading Europeans wrecked their civilization. Duh. 2. Hotlanta, despite it's problems, is a much better, nicer place than Houston. I supposed that's *somewhat* debatable, but not really. 3. Houston has a documented history of cheating. 4. Braves, despite being the hottest team in baseball, are still the underdogs. Seems pretty clear to me.

Date: Thu Oct 28 14:24:16 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
(I highly suspect) 44 agrees. Requiescat in pace.

Date: Thu Oct 28 15:07:43 2021
User: redberet
Message:
I don't know. You neglected to mentioned the oft overlooked Turner-Fonda connection. When they were up their in their suite with their tomahawks a choppin, it made for quite a sight.

Date: Thu Oct 28 15:36:17 2021
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:
Well........that wouldn't negate the other reasons, just omitting that one. And some folks might have a negative connotation of that. Ted's not doing too well these days, as you likely know.

Date: Thu Oct 28 20:15:26 2021
User: redberet
Message:
I always liked Ted. He led us out of the wilderness with his superstation.

Date: Sun Oct 31 00:55:03 2021
User: redberet
Message:
Chop, chop, chop. I hope this goes seven.

Date: Sun Oct 31 02:56:03 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I hope it ends tomorrow; get it over with. No sympathy for the cheaters. Altho it sure has been entertaining to watch the micro-managing and mind games. Intense stuff. Just loved Dansby Swanson's post-game interview tonight, too. @ Kaos..................... While the Dodgers and Giants had the two best records in baseball for the season, the Braves have had the best record since sometime in late July or early August - I forget which. They didn't even get to .500 'til August 6. Since they started their winning ways, they're something .750 (or more??), winning like 12 out of the last 14 in the regular season, and in the postseason are like 10-4. (Don't quote me on those - just top-of-the-head cipherin'.) They even take that kind of stuff into account for March Madness, even with the seeding. While I still don't disagree with your complaint.............as it's turned out, it would have been equally, or even *more* tragic had the Braves been put out by possibly having to play both of them. I think this very kind of uncertainty is delicious - even if unfair in a way. It's indeed somewhat like March Madness, but with less degrees of freedom.

Date: Sun Oct 31 12:56:25 2021
User: redberet
Message:
Not happy to admit it, but for my Giants to get bounced out of the playoffs, I'd rather the Dodgers did it. If you can't deal with adversity, you got no call on being a champion. Seeding has no place in baseball. Which is what you have with March Madness, where there are really no upsets, just the experts got it wrong, the teams got it right. As for the rest, it's for selfish reasons. Once it ends, then I'm looking at a long cold winter, and I'm a wuss when it comes to winter.

Date: Sun Oct 31 23:50:57 2021
User: ix
Message:
advertising on umpires, ew.

Date: Wed Nov 3 02:39:55 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
Happy to see the ‘Stros on the losing end of this year’s WS.

Date: Wed Nov 3 02:58:00 2021
User: ix
Message:
the whole thing brings to mind the scene in time bandits where og (designer of the pink bunkadoo) has an idea: I've got an idea forming in my head. You haven't had an idea for thousands of years. There is a place where we could find the greatest thing man could want, the goal of everybody's hopes and dreams. What the hell are you talking about? The most fabulous object in the world. That sounds like a good idea. Yeah. i wonder how long this will haunt them, too bad they couldn't work out a deal with rubbermaid, official trash can of the houston astros.

Date: Wed Nov 3 09:24:22 2021
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Good lord. Cardinals fans tear their hair every World Series because of the Denkinger call. Can we look forward to decades of obsessing over the Astros?

Date: Wed Nov 3 12:28:51 2021
User: redberet
Message:
Somehow I feel this all connected to the Curse of the Bambino. Halloween edition.

Date: Wed Nov 3 13:10:49 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Just sayin'...............

Date: Wed Nov 3 13:11:30 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Sigh. Let's try that again.......... https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JisAAMXQWnVR4lqa/s-l300.jpg

Date: Wed Nov 3 13:12:18 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Well.........I tried it 'both' ways, and neither worked. I'll NEVER figger this out.

Date: Wed Nov 3 13:30:56 2021
User: redberet
Message:
Works for me, love that scowl/smile.

Date: Wed Nov 3 13:37:38 2021
User: Klepp
Message:
The Bambino obviously needed to raise his fiber intake.


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