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Date: Mon Feb 1 09:07:12 2021
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 10x1 23193-8; .... Game stats: 11/1/9.09%.
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 10x1 23193-8; .... Game stats: 11/1/9.09%.
Date: Mon Feb 1 18:34:02 2021
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 10x1 16906-6; .... Game stats: 5/1/20.00%.
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 10x1 16906-6; .... Game stats: 5/1/20.00%.
Date: Tue Feb 2 13:14:34 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
What?! 8x2-5 #9872 49/1/2.04% That one shocked me.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
What?! 8x2-5 #9872 49/1/2.04% That one shocked me.
Date: Tue Feb 2 13:38:15 2021
User: ix
Message:
hop's program shows you beat a game that was rated 2995.652, that is one hard to top number, that right there. wow, congrats, like, a lot.
User: ix
Message:
hop's program shows you beat a game that was rated 2995.652, that is one hard to top number, that right there. wow, congrats, like, a lot.
Date: Tue Feb 2 13:57:07 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I know - and that was just a few plays after beating that 11x0 rated (WAY) artificially low. Can one say the ELO/ELG giveth, and the ELO/ELG taketh away? I suspect that it's not really *that* hard, since it shocked me, but I don't rightly know.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I know - and that was just a few plays after beating that 11x0 rated (WAY) artificially low. Can one say the ELO/ELG giveth, and the ELO/ELG taketh away? I suspect that it's not really *that* hard, since it shocked me, but I don't rightly know.
Date: Tue Feb 2 17:39:01 2021
User: joeygray
Message:
I don’t get this Elg. You do know that Elo is somebody’s name, right? It’s not an acronym.
User: joeygray
Message:
I don’t get this Elg. You do know that Elo is somebody’s name, right? It’s not an acronym.
Date: Tue Feb 2 17:49:16 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Yes, we know that. It's an adaption, as is this version of ELO being used here.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Yes, we know that. It's an adaption, as is this version of ELO being used here.
Date: Tue Feb 2 21:46:54 2021
User: ix
Message:
10x1 974-6 gave it three tries, now 0/10
Link: https://www.freecell.net/f/c/view_one_game.html?;974,6,10x1
User: ix
Message:
10x1 974-6 gave it three tries, now 0/10
Link: https://www.freecell.net/f/c/view_one_game.html?;974,6,10x1
Date: Wed Feb 3 11:12:49 2021
User: WRAC
Message:
10x1 level 6 sure has some pitfalls, but 974 may be the worst. I'm probably just being blind to something obvious, but after 78 attempts, I'm completely baffled.
User: WRAC
Message:
10x1 level 6 sure has some pitfalls, but 974 may be the worst. I'm probably just being blind to something obvious, but after 78 attempts, I'm completely baffled.
Date: Wed Feb 3 13:11:43 2021
User: Spud
Message:
Game #: 10x1 974 Game stats: 147/1/0.68% Difficulty: 6 Elapsed: 2:48 32nd attempt. I had given up but decided to go back and have one more go. An hour and a half well spent!
User: Spud
Message:
Game #: 10x1 974 Game stats: 147/1/0.68% Difficulty: 6 Elapsed: 2:48 32nd attempt. I had given up but decided to go back and have one more go. An hour and a half well spent!
Date: Wed Feb 3 13:41:16 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
And now.........inquiring minds want to know what *that* ELO/ELG is/was/would have been.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
And now.........inquiring minds want to know what *that* ELO/ELG is/was/would have been.
Date: Wed Feb 3 13:49:23 2021
User: ix
Message:
it took a spud wrench to line up the bolt holes in that game!
User: ix
Message:
it took a spud wrench to line up the bolt holes in that game!
Date: Wed Feb 3 15:12:03 2021
User: Oded789
Message:
It's 1888 right now, being 1/168. Because all the non-streak plays don't count.
User: Oded789
Message:
It's 1888 right now, being 1/168. Because all the non-streak plays don't count.
Date: Wed Feb 3 15:20:27 2021
User: WRAC
Message:
21 attempts later: Game #: 10x1 974 Game stats: 169/2/1.18% Difficulty: 6 Elapsed: 5:01 Congratulations, Spud - awesome job! That was probably the hardest game I've ever solved.
User: WRAC
Message:
21 attempts later: Game #: 10x1 974 Game stats: 169/2/1.18% Difficulty: 6 Elapsed: 5:01 Congratulations, Spud - awesome job! That was probably the hardest game I've ever solved.
Date: Wed Feb 3 15:43:08 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Thanks for the clarification, Oded. I haven't been able to *begin* to keep up with all the changes, machinations, tweaks, etc. And that certainly makes sense. So that means the 0/48 game I won wasn't just somebody repetitively banging away at it. Looks someone else has since beaten it, too, but took a few tries.
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Thanks for the clarification, Oded. I haven't been able to *begin* to keep up with all the changes, machinations, tweaks, etc. And that certainly makes sense. So that means the 0/48 game I won wasn't just somebody repetitively banging away at it. Looks someone else has since beaten it, too, but took a few tries.
Date: Sun Feb 7 09:07:33 2021
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 6x4, 2247-7, .... Game stats: 2/1/50.00%.
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 6x4, 2247-7, .... Game stats: 2/1/50.00%.
Date: Tue Feb 9 17:52:27 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
Two tournament toughies both won after the bell in the recent two Threats: 7x3 13222-11 Tournament 3:34 Won 3.6% 1 28 6x4 16133-11 Streak 5:12 Won 2.0% 2472 1 49
User: Kaos
Message:
Two tournament toughies both won after the bell in the recent two Threats: 7x3 13222-11 Tournament 3:34 Won 3.6% 1 28 6x4 16133-11 Streak 5:12 Won 2.0% 2472 1 49
Date: Tue Feb 9 22:56:36 2021
User: joeygray
Message:
Game #: 7x5 8770 Game stats: 1/1/100.00% Difficulty: 12 Elapsed: 10:26 Streak: 8 Of course it’s never ben played before, and I don’t usually do this, but I’d like an opinion: is this one as hard as I think it is?
User: joeygray
Message:
Game #: 7x5 8770 Game stats: 1/1/100.00% Difficulty: 12 Elapsed: 10:26 Streak: 8 Of course it’s never ben played before, and I don’t usually do this, but I’d like an opinion: is this one as hard as I think it is?
Date: Wed Feb 10 08:53:42 2021
User: byronsmoot
Message:
Game #: 7x3 28926 Game stats: 29/1/3.45% Difficulty: 5 Elapsed: 2:55 2nd try.
User: byronsmoot
Message:
Game #: 7x3 28926 Game stats: 29/1/3.45% Difficulty: 5 Elapsed: 2:55 2nd try.
Date: Fri Feb 12 17:06:27 2021
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
Game #: 7x3 25228-4 Game stats: 46/1/2.17% Took four attempts. It would have been great to get it the first try with its 3000-point Elo rating.
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
Game #: 7x3 25228-4 Game stats: 46/1/2.17% Took four attempts. It would have been great to get it the first try with its 3000-point Elo rating.
Date: Fri Feb 12 20:04:36 2021
User: byronsmoot
Message:
Game #: 7x3 25228 Game stats: 1/1/100.00% Difficulty: 4 Elapsed: 4:07 Streak: n/a Today: n/a
User: byronsmoot
Message:
Game #: 7x3 25228 Game stats: 1/1/100.00% Difficulty: 4 Elapsed: 4:07 Streak: n/a Today: n/a
Date: Sat Feb 13 01:39:36 2021
User: Uberman
Message:
First game of the day - stared at it for a while, but once the opening was settled on it didn't seem that hard afterwards. Game: 8x2 #25139 - 5 Game stats: 45/1 2.2% Initial(?) ELO: 2991
User: Uberman
Message:
First game of the day - stared at it for a while, but once the opening was settled on it didn't seem that hard afterwards. Game: 8x2 #25139 - 5 Game stats: 45/1 2.2% Initial(?) ELO: 2991
Date: Sat Feb 13 01:58:54 2021
User: Oded789
Message:
You mean 4x10. Deceptively harder than it looks. It's not every day that one has almost everything lined up, *six* freecells and nowhere to go. See attached pic. Maybe with one more try I'll get it, but not now.
Link: stuck with 6 freecells in 4x10
User: Oded789
Message:
You mean 4x10. Deceptively harder than it looks. It's not every day that one has almost everything lined up, *six* freecells and nowhere to go. See attached pic. Maybe with one more try I'll get it, but not now.
Link: stuck with 6 freecells in 4x10
Date: Sat Feb 13 09:47:02 2021
User: MrFixit
Message:
Gotta admit I don't follow this discussion but I just got two 7x4-7 winnables which had never been played. I thought we had pretty good coverage in the 7x4 stuff. Seems like most I get are at least double digit plays. Btw tell ElGuapo the Elo was totally wrong on these!
User: MrFixit
Message:
Gotta admit I don't follow this discussion but I just got two 7x4-7 winnables which had never been played. I thought we had pretty good coverage in the 7x4 stuff. Seems like most I get are at least double digit plays. Btw tell ElGuapo the Elo was totally wrong on these!
Date: Sat Feb 13 11:31:33 2021
User: JackStraw
Message:
Oded - those pesky 3's up top plus the ace but that's the joy of 4 x 10
User: JackStraw
Message:
Oded - those pesky 3's up top plus the ace but that's the joy of 4 x 10
Date: Sat Feb 13 11:40:50 2021
User: Oded789
Message:
Yeah... Meanwhile, someone took care of this game, now 1/28.
User: Oded789
Message:
Yeah... Meanwhile, someone took care of this game, now 1/28.
Date: Sun Feb 14 04:59:01 2021
User: Gulbis
Message:
There was that super hard 10x1 game posted a while ago. I think I just found the complete opposite, solved it in 37 seconds. Also difficulty 6: 10x1 27588-6. It's easier than most 13-1 games.
User: Gulbis
Message:
There was that super hard 10x1 game posted a while ago. I think I just found the complete opposite, solved it in 37 seconds. Also difficulty 6: 10x1 27588-6. It's easier than most 13-1 games.
Date: Sun Feb 14 06:36:16 2021
User: Oded789
Message:
Yes, that one can be solved in under 20s :-) It's also winnable as 9x1. I've tried it in different configurations too, it was interesting as 5x3 and 4x5, but didn't see a way through.
User: Oded789
Message:
Yes, that one can be solved in under 20s :-) It's also winnable as 9x1. I've tried it in different configurations too, it was interesting as 5x3 and 4x5, but didn't see a way through.
Date: Tue Feb 16 16:42:13 2021
User: d164280a
Message:
9x2 29618-10 18/1/5.56 first try 45min. my head hurts.
User: d164280a
Message:
9x2 29618-10 18/1/5.56 first try 45min. my head hurts.
Date: Fri Feb 19 12:49:30 2021
User: Spud
Message:
Game #: 7x4 7030 Game stats: 21/1/4.76% Difficulty: 10 This was my first and last game in Hot Streak today - all 21 tries are mine. Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I think the Elo rating of 407 is about 2000 points too low!
User: Spud
Message:
Game #: 7x4 7030 Game stats: 21/1/4.76% Difficulty: 10 This was my first and last game in Hot Streak today - all 21 tries are mine. Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I think the Elo rating of 407 is about 2000 points too low!
Date: Fri Feb 19 17:38:59 2021
User: ElGuapo
Message:
That's not the game's rating, it's just a placeholder. New games come in at the average for that level, which can be seen if you scroll down on the link below. Or you can always wait until 5 past the hour and it will update. This may all go away when Denny gets ratings added to the server, but for now that's how they appear. New 7x4-10s have an Elo of 1812.
Link: https://www.freecell.net/f/c/elo_about.html
User: ElGuapo
Message:
That's not the game's rating, it's just a placeholder. New games come in at the average for that level, which can be seen if you scroll down on the link below. Or you can always wait until 5 past the hour and it will update. This may all go away when Denny gets ratings added to the server, but for now that's how they appear. New 7x4-10s have an Elo of 1812.
Link: https://www.freecell.net/f/c/elo_about.html
Date: Fri Feb 19 17:40:26 2021
User: ElGuapo
Message:
I did the thing with the link wrong, not the first or the last time!
Link: Average Elos for each variant
User: ElGuapo
Message:
I did the thing with the link wrong, not the first or the last time!
Link: Average Elos for each variant
Date: Fri Feb 19 22:13:30 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
That said, Slurpee 7030-10 looks formidable. Not a Kaos-friendly deal. Perhaps WRAC or Mastermind can provide some hints.
User: Kaos
Message:
That said, Slurpee 7030-10 looks formidable. Not a Kaos-friendly deal. Perhaps WRAC or Mastermind can provide some hints.
Date: Sat Feb 20 05:57:55 2021
User: Spud
Message:
In case I wasn't clear above I did manage to solve it. The key card is the ace of hearts, if you manage to get access to that then you are on the right track. Looks impossible with it buried beneath the two black 10's but there is a way. I thought the solution was quite unusual and interesting which is why I posted it. I think I did well to get it in under an hour.
User: Spud
Message:
In case I wasn't clear above I did manage to solve it. The key card is the ace of hearts, if you manage to get access to that then you are on the right track. Looks impossible with it buried beneath the two black 10's but there is a way. I thought the solution was quite unusual and interesting which is why I posted it. I think I did well to get it in under an hour.
Date: Sat Feb 20 08:17:47 2021
User: Gulbis
Message:
You Win Game #: 10x1 14951 Game stats: 1/1/100.00% Difficulty: 8 Elapsed: 20:49 I thought this was a very tricky one, I stared at it for more than half an hour before I decided which starting path to take.
User: Gulbis
Message:
You Win Game #: 10x1 14951 Game stats: 1/1/100.00% Difficulty: 8 Elapsed: 20:49 I thought this was a very tricky one, I stared at it for more than half an hour before I decided which starting path to take.
Date: Tue Feb 23 14:23:45 2021
User: WRAC
Message:
I took a brief glance at this game and said, well, this isn't winnable. No point in staring at it; I'll just play it quickly. To my surprise, it started to open up a bit, so I slowed down just a little. Then, all of a sudden: Game #: 9x2 19566 Game stats: 98/1/1.02% Difficulty: 10 Elapsed: 3:32 Streak: 9 Always play it out - you never know!
User: WRAC
Message:
I took a brief glance at this game and said, well, this isn't winnable. No point in staring at it; I'll just play it quickly. To my surprise, it started to open up a bit, so I slowed down just a little. Then, all of a sudden: Game #: 9x2 19566 Game stats: 98/1/1.02% Difficulty: 10 Elapsed: 3:32 Streak: 9 Always play it out - you never know!
Date: Tue Feb 23 18:43:46 2021
User: byronsmoot
Message:
Game#: 7x3 28373 Game stats: 30/1/3.33% Difficulty: 5 Elapsed: 3:07
User: byronsmoot
Message:
Game#: 7x3 28373 Game stats: 30/1/3.33% Difficulty: 5 Elapsed: 3:07
Date: Wed Feb 24 19:01:54 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
Hey WRAC. That 9x2 is nasty looking. I thought I saw the opening (did clear a column) but couldn't see it thru. Perhaps I was looking to take advantage of the free column too quickly. In any event, getting that game in one shot is a fine performance.
User: Kaos
Message:
Hey WRAC. That 9x2 is nasty looking. I thought I saw the opening (did clear a column) but couldn't see it thru. Perhaps I was looking to take advantage of the free column too quickly. In any event, getting that game in one shot is a fine performance.
Date: Wed Feb 24 20:26:51 2021
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
Game #: 6x4 12703-5 Game stats: 84/1/1.19% Elapsed: 3:17 Handful of attempts.
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
Game #: 6x4 12703-5 Game stats: 84/1/1.19% Elapsed: 3:17 Handful of attempts.
Date: Wed Feb 24 21:10:05 2021
User: WRAC
Message:
Kaos wrote: "In any event, getting that game in one shot is a fine performance." Thanks, but I'm chalking it up to luck. I definitely didn't plan it out in advance - it just miraculously fell into place. :-)
User: WRAC
Message:
Kaos wrote: "In any event, getting that game in one shot is a fine performance." Thanks, but I'm chalking it up to luck. I definitely didn't plan it out in advance - it just miraculously fell into place. :-)
Date: Wed Feb 24 21:12:58 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
Ben Hogan, old-time famous golfer, has an appropriate quote for this: "The more I practice, the luckier I get"
User: Kaos
Message:
Ben Hogan, old-time famous golfer, has an appropriate quote for this: "The more I practice, the luckier I get"
Date: Wed Feb 24 21:13:00 2021
User: WRAC
Message:
By the way, nice job on the 6x4 above, as well as the one that won the Masters three days ago. I was so slow, I didn't get much of a chance to look at it (wasted my time on the adjacent 6x4 instead), but I want to get back to it at some point. 6x4 665-10.
User: WRAC
Message:
By the way, nice job on the 6x4 above, as well as the one that won the Masters three days ago. I was so slow, I didn't get much of a chance to look at it (wasted my time on the adjacent 6x4 instead), but I want to get back to it at some point. 6x4 665-10.
Date: Thu Feb 25 08:20:37 2021
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 9x2 8413-10, ..... Game stats: 8/1/12.50%, ..... Streak: 334.
User: TitanicTony
Message:
Game #: 9x2 8413-10, ..... Game stats: 8/1/12.50%, ..... Streak: 334.
Date: Thu Feb 25 23:32:37 2021
User: JackStraw
Message:
4x10 winnable (?) diff 5 #6128 82/0 0% for a while thought I had a shot- but not even close
User: JackStraw
Message:
4x10 winnable (?) diff 5 #6128 82/0 0% for a while thought I had a shot- but not even close
Date: Fri Feb 26 00:42:15 2021
User: JackStraw
Message:
and this one during HotStreak 6x4 diff 5 #8626 47/0 0%
User: JackStraw
Message:
and this one during HotStreak 6x4 diff 5 #8626 47/0 0%
Date: Fri Feb 26 19:16:28 2021
User: Oded789
Message:
Your 4x10 winnable is now 0/95. I'll take my turn at losing it tomorrow. The 6x4 may very well be unwinnable, as are over 10% of games at 6x4-5. There is no winnable variant there for free to choose (unlike when he treats us with 6x5-12 weekend fun, for example). I see that you also got a bit earlier back-to-back 3/51 and 1/50, lovely.
User: Oded789
Message:
Your 4x10 winnable is now 0/95. I'll take my turn at losing it tomorrow. The 6x4 may very well be unwinnable, as are over 10% of games at 6x4-5. There is no winnable variant there for free to choose (unlike when he treats us with 6x5-12 weekend fun, for example). I see that you also got a bit earlier back-to-back 3/51 and 1/50, lovely.
Date: Fri Feb 26 19:34:35 2021
User: Kaos
Message:
#8626-5 is 37-1 as a 6x5 so looks unwinnable as a 6x4. The low red cards are all buried at the bottom of columns 5 & 6 and there doesn't seem to be enough wiggle room to ever free them. It's actually impressive that someone managed it with 5 freecells. Hey WRAC, that 6x4 from the Masters turned out to be one of those deals that looks completely hopeless the first few times you look at it but then on third glance I saw an option that showed some hope and it turns out everything falls into place to bring it home.
User: Kaos
Message:
#8626-5 is 37-1 as a 6x5 so looks unwinnable as a 6x4. The low red cards are all buried at the bottom of columns 5 & 6 and there doesn't seem to be enough wiggle room to ever free them. It's actually impressive that someone managed it with 5 freecells. Hey WRAC, that 6x4 from the Masters turned out to be one of those deals that looks completely hopeless the first few times you look at it but then on third glance I saw an option that showed some hope and it turns out everything falls into place to bring it home.
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