Subject: Weather?
Server time: Mon Sep 21 15:26
Date: Sat Dec 24 08:26:41 2022
User: outskirts
Message:Congrats to FL State on their electrifying victory over FL a month ago. Well played.
Only got to 23° here. 24° now, with no frost in sight, because of the steady winds. It will be the same for a few days, with highs of 40° here in Gator country. I want some snow, like I do every year.
Date: Sat Dec 24 09:09:10 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:Thought you now lived in Ontario with Beverly? 🥶
Light snow here and 2 now, with the wind chill at -17. It was at least as low as -21 earlier - and yeah, I know, that's nothing (or "not as much *less* than nothing") as a lot of places.
[edit: oh, and I got no ⚡, but that'll likely change soon. Yesterday, TVA had rolling blackouts going on.]
Date: Sat Dec 24 10:08:04 2022
User: olblue
Message:Thank you, outskirts.
This may come as a shock to you, TN but I only have two pieces of FSU apparel and they would be two hats. No shirts, no sweatshirts, no hoodies, no other clothing of any kind. Now, you seem to take exception to my having complained about 17 degree temps when other locations have it far worse. I understand the temperature in Antarctica at 1000 this morning was -8. However, I don't live in Antarctica....I live in Florida and I'm used to the type weather we normally have and 17 degrees is NOT what I call normal. Now 17 degrees might not be anything to you, for all I know you get out on a day like that and make naked snow angels....if so please don't include pics.
Now, this whole thread that started out friendly enough seems to have turned into something not so friendly, objections to the contrary. This will be my last comment on this thread so I give you the last word.
Date: Sat Dec 24 10:24:44 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:Oh, olblue, you mistake my intentions. Absolutely NO disrespect or anything of the kind intended!! I'm not quite sure how I gave you the wrong impression, but it grieves me that I somehow did. 😟 I think it must be one of those situations where the internet (or email) doesn't correctly transmit the intended sentiment. I have nothing but high regard for you. Please forgive me for offending you, even tho I'm not sure how I did!!
ALL of my comments about Fla. St. were in jest, and I wouldn't even have gone down that road except that I knew you would take it that way.
And OF COURSE I know 17 degrees is very cold for there; it's all relative. Your 17 and my 0 are very comparable, I'd say.
Really, really sorry I offended you.
Date: Sat Dec 24 10:57:39 2022
User: outskirts
Message:Don't forget the wind chill factor, which is considerable.
Date: Sat Dec 24 11:36:56 2022
User: outskirts
Message:Lol. I've got three gator shirts, but only because I was allowed to wear them to work on game days.
Date: Sat Dec 24 14:49:36 2022
User: ix
Message:2 days ago 37 below, today 40 above
Date: Sat Dec 24 20:57:02 2022
User: Klepp
Message:I'd like to see a hockey game held on Lake Okeechobee.
Date: Tue Jan 24 17:50:52 2023
User: outskirts
Message:One of my koi I named tire tread.
Date: Sun Jun 11 06:06:21 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:Siberia broiling already, and we're only 10 days into summer. Mexico also has it real, real bad.
Link: What permafrost?
Date: Tue Jul 4 22:45:57 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:Jeez Tn, this link to MSN features an endless stream of ads. Can’t you post a link to a less whorish website?
Date: Tue Jul 4 23:18:51 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:Reuters has a much better article (or, at least, a much less exploitative article) on this topic.
That said, not a compelling headline. Yesterday clearly wasn’t the hottest day on the planet in its history and likely not even the hottest day in the past ten years. Why? Because all of the hottest days are going to occur in December and January when the earth is closer to the sun. We just don’t have thermometers hanging around in the southern hemisphere to record it because the Southern hemisphere has much less land than the northern hemisphere.
Here’s my take on the weather. I grew up in the Seattle area and now have moved back to the Seattle area. Seattle has typically had a cool climate. When I was a kid on a cool summer day with a bit of cloud cover that burned off, the temperature might rise 1 degree. Now, when the same thing happens, the temperature rises 5 degrees. You can feel it. If you don’t like it, get busy.
Date: Wed Jul 5 00:15:44 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:I actually did try to find a more direct, less intrusive link. One was better, but cut off the graph. I obviously didn't try exhaustively. My ad blocker keeps the MSN site tolerable, but I realize that isn't true for all. Normally, especially with science-oriented topics, I try to post the original article - but as I've noted countless times, those are often outside the comfort zone of many here. So I often post both a lay and 'original' version. Some of the MSN versions lately have been truly excellent, as in the case of the gravity wave background stuff last week. (But more often they're not - and I duly lambast them when that's the case.) But ok, I'll try harder. But it's not realistic to go to 5-8 places each time trying to get the best balance of content vs. accessibility. And yes, I like Reuters a great deal, but a lot of their stuff is now behind a wall, making it harder for many to see it.
And while your thesis of Northern vs. Southern isn't wrong, and everybody knows that technically it's nowhere near the hottest day in history, it's the best we currently have. My post said "New all-time daily world temperature record...", which is accurate in the sense of *recorded* (implicit in the use of the word "record"). So I was actually trying to be precise.
Beyond that................the *real* hottest days may, or may not be in Jan. and Dec. because, as you note, more ocean is exposed to the sun in the Southern hemisphere - thus mitigating temperature rise because those deep ocean waters are vastly better heat sinks. I read some on this years ago, and as I recall, opinions are divided, but don't remember details. But without recording capability "down there".................yesterday was the hottest *recorded* day in *recorded* history. How much that really means, and how 'valid' one considers that, I guess, is one's own interpretation.
Date: Wed Jul 5 10:13:40 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:I guess I've become immune to online ads. I simply don't see them unless they intentionally block my view. And, this was the second time that TN linked an article that suggested we open it on the app, Square, which I did this time. No ads at all.
The top several hottest days (measured 2 m above the surface) were all July and August. I have no trouble believing that NOAA has figured out how to measure daily temperatures over the last 52 years. Pretty sure they don't rely solely on thermometers, and I have no trouble believing they have the entire surface of the planet covered.
Dr. B, if you have some counter evidence, please feel free to post it here to support your argument.
Date: Wed Jul 5 11:40:18 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:Well, that "How hot was it?" record didn't last long (see link).
And yes, certainly, Dr. B, I'm open to seeing any contrary evidence.
BTW..........the 2-m-above-the-surface thing is the standard way temp is measured. Which is why there can be (and often is) frost when the "official temperature" only gets down to a (C) degree or two above freezing. Colder-than-officially-measured air pools around the ground, allowing freezing (and thus the formation of frost), even if, say, the (official) air temp stays at 2 degrees. There are good reasons for this technique, which are pretty clear if one thinks it through.
Link: "How hot was it *now*?"
Date: Wed Jul 5 23:05:54 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:Hey TN, there really isn't any (or much) contrary evidence. I just wanted to emphasize that this is just the warmest day recorded by the current methods humans use to come up with this number. The current algorithms have been consistent and have high correlation, but they use air temperature over land and ocean water temperature in the ocean. Intuitively, you would think, the highest temps ever recorded would happen in early January, when the earth is closest to the sun. But, most of the land is in the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere is heavily weighted with oceans.
Date: Wed Jul 5 23:44:11 2023
User: roo
Message:I've been at the Tropic of Capricorn in early January (1998)- probably the closest I've been to the Sun. That was just north of Alice Springs.
I've always tried to figure out which humans have been nearest the Sun - astronauts most likely, but where?
In orbit around the Earth or the Moon?
Date: Thu Jul 6 12:13:29 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:Has to be the crew of Apollo 8 roo. They were in orbit around the moon on Christmas 1968, so just a dozen days before Jan 7th, the day when the Earth is closest to the sun and the new moon then was on December 19th. They launched on the 21st so their first orbit around the moon should be the closest.
Date: Thu Jul 6 17:09:58 2023
User: roo
Message:That's what I'd been thinking Dr.B except I ruled out all moon visits because I thought they could not go at new moon. But that would not be a concern for Apollo 8 because no walk on the moon was planned.
Date: Thu Jul 6 17:19:55 2023
User: roo
Message:As for naming a particular person, I'd vote for Jim Lovell to be "nearest the window" on that first orbit to acknowledge the fact that Lovell twice went to the Moon without getting to walk on it, the second time being on Apollo 13 when he was supposed to.
Date: Thu Jul 6 19:51:05 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:Yeah, and January 7th is a few days off. It’s really Jan 4th; +/- a day and a half depending on the phase of the moon. Further, the gap between perihelion and aphelion is 5M kilometers. So, that is much bigger than the distance of the orbit of the moon. So, the only other candidates might be those in a high earth orbit right at perihelion.
Date: Thu Jul 6 21:44:22 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:Alas roo, if my math and trig is correct, the crew of Apollo 8!needed to spend one to two more days in orbit around the moon to achieve the goal of closet human to the sun. When they left lunar orbit they were in the range of 420k kilometers short of perihelion while the biggest boost they could have gotten from the moon being closer to the sun is only 384k kilometers. So, looks like the answer to your question is going to be the first human! That’s because the Earth is currently in a cycle where its orbit is getting more circular. If you go back in time, I’m guessing the decrease in perihelion would be much bigger than what you’d get from being in high earth orbit now.
Date: Tue Aug 8 23:07:53 2023
User: bil
Message:strange how there's never a mention of the underwater volcanic activity
Date: Wed Aug 9 09:51:06 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:There has been endless mention of underwater volcanic activity. It’s all part of the balance sheet.
Date: Wed Aug 9 10:21:55 2023
User: outskirts
Message:Please don't try to politicize the weather because then we can't even discuss the weather!
Date: Thu Aug 10 15:44:32 2023
User: Sisususi
Message:Clobal warming isnt a joke , as some of you know I live 280 miles north from the Arctic Circle and today here is + 30 degrees C ..82 in Fahrenheit . Never been so hot here earlier .
And my country is Finland thats ranged happiest country in the world 🤗 so great greetings from here . Sisu .
Date: Mon Aug 21 11:23:16 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:Saw a similar event south of Denver on I-25 near the Air Force Academy. As I was driving south, I encountered snowplows all over the highway -- not a common sight in Colorado in July. Mounds of hail along the shoulder. The adjacent fields were covered with a white blanket.
The event in Germany piled the hail deeper, and the impact was greater due to the storm hitting a city.
Date: Thu Oct 5 11:54:52 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:Yeah, but it still snows in winter.
And East Anglia.
Case closed.
Date: Thu Oct 5 14:14:33 2023
User: JackStraw
Message:The high today in So Cal will be 95
I'm about 18 miles inland from the beach
Date: Sat Oct 21 11:59:28 2023
User: JackStraw
Message:Fall Weather may finally be kicking in - temperature supposed to drop below 90.
97 yesterday so I'm skeptical .
Date: Sun Mar 3 18:11:20 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:Snow in early March in SLC not rare. Scheduling a soccer game at is questionable; playing it in a blizzard was indefensible.
Date: Thu Jul 25 05:30:32 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:Typhoon Gaemi has been devastating the Phillipines and Taiwan the last 24-36 hours. Mostly absurd rainfall amounts. Many places in Taiwan have had over 100 cm in 14 hours - some over 120. 😳 I would provide a link, but those items are embedded in a long sequence of reports and updates on bbc.com. Easy to find if one wants to search it out. Yes, typhoons hit those places with regularity.........but 100-120 cm in 14 hours is mind-boggling even for these situations.
Date: Sun Aug 4 07:21:33 2024
User: roo
Message:Load of nonsense! The ice won't melt if it remains below freezing.
Date: Sun Aug 4 07:46:16 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:True, but it is winter there. Summer is coming....
Date: Sun Aug 4 21:28:29 2024
User: roo
Message:The title is also nonsense. It was not a heat wave, just less cold than normal. Like describing someone obese who has lost a few pounds in weight as "becoming anorexic".
Date: Sun Aug 4 21:35:56 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:You're just a denier - against all the *mountains* of evidence. So be it.....
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