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Date: Mon Jan 2 09:35:26 2023
User: ElGuapo
Message:
Your last example with "small-business" makes the point better. In fact in Chicago style which I used to follow when I was editing books, "newly-decorated" would be wrong because we never hyphenated adverbs.

Date: Mon Jan 2 10:03:20 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Don't know Chicago style. I'm going with what I learnt way back when, when those things were written down and (somewhat) codified in "style/grammar" books. Back then "newly-decorated" would definitely be correct. Language evolves, as do its standards. Duh. I've never edited books, but have proofread and edited quite a few master theses and doctoral dissertations. As well as journal articles to be submitted. [Actually........now that I think about it........I have edited a couple of books pre-print, but they were not 'heavyweight' topics. Those might not count in your world.] [As an aside..........helping students wrangle such a graduate-level task as a thesis or dissertation is quite the undertaking if said students are those for whom English is at best their second language. Thus I'm always tremendously impressed by both Hop and Oded (among some others who've shown up here) for their English skills. Some of those on this forum whose native tongue is "Southern" also can manage pretty well, at least sporadically. Not naming names, so as not to offend those I might accidentally omit. 😅]

Date: Mon Jan 2 10:11:23 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Not that it really matters, but the woman I learned most of my English skills from, such as they are, was a language specialist they brought in to my elementary school specifically for advanced 6th-grade English classes. She was a principal, but did the detailed English stuff, too. She had won some kind of award as "best...........[whatever] in the South", as I recall. We could diagram sentences in our sleep when she got through with us. And she actually made it fun, hard as that is to imagine now.

Date: Mon Jan 2 10:49:23 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
how about "my newly-decorated kitchen" vs "my kitchen is newly decorated"

Date: Mon Jan 2 11:02:08 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
"Same difference." In that word order, "newly decorated" is still the modifier of kitchen - thus should still be hyphenated. To test it, does "my kitchen is newly" make sense? No.

Date: Mon Jan 2 11:22:51 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
no, because its an improper test

Date: Mon Jan 2 11:32:00 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
?? I'm not sure of your meaning there, but one can just put them in front of "kitchen". Either way, that phrase is a modifier of kitchen, and unless EACH separate word will 'work' by itself, they need to be hyphenated.

Date: Mon Jan 2 11:34:38 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
Hop, except sticktoitiveness is a bonafide word, and properly punctuated three ways

Link: https://grammarist.com/words/sticktoitiveness/

Date: Mon Jan 2 11:36:55 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
in "my newly-decorated kitchen" newly-decorated is an adjective for noun kitchen in "my kitchen is newly decorated" newly is an adverb for verb decorated ... or something like that

Date: Mon Jan 2 12:20:25 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
No. That logic could also be ascribed to "newly-decorated" when preceding kitchen. Where it's placed doesn't change its function.

Date: Mon Jan 2 12:26:07 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
Also "hardheadedness" is not hyphenated. Also, with most or all "ness" words, the plural is "-nesses". We have hardheadednesses here.

Date: Mon Jan 2 12:27:15 2023
User: redberet
Message:
Newly is the deputy on Gunsmoke. He replaced Festus, who replaced Quint, who replaced Chester. Just some mindness banter.

Date: Mon Jan 2 12:29:18 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
I'd say freshly made-over kitchen and if someone asked me if that was hyphenated, I'd just bonk 'em.

Date: Mon Jan 2 12:32:41 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
Burt Reynolds named his son Quinton, after his gunsmoke character.

Date: Mon Jan 2 12:52:03 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
TN, yes it does. what if you have 2 kitchens, one renovated, one not

Date: Mon Jan 2 12:56:40 2023
User: redberet
Message:
You can bonk 'em with an apostrophe. Better yet a !

Date: Mon Jan 2 13:02:37 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
cellmate, "decorated" is not a verb in that sentence. It's an adjective. If one were to say "the kitchen was decorated", then it's a verb, assuming the meaning was an action (past tense - like it was done last month). (As opposed to describing a kitchen as in a house for sale.)

Date: Mon Jan 2 13:34:32 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
TN, so now you're agreeing with what i said at 11:36?

Date: Mon Jan 2 14:16:20 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
No, no, no. You wrote: ""my kitchen is newly decorated" newly is an adverb for verb decorated". But "decorated" in that usage is not a verb. It's an adjective - *because it refers back to its antecedent* - the NOUN "kitchen". The ONLY way it could have been used as verb is as I demonstrated just above: "Denny said his kitchen had just been decorated." In that usage, "decorated" is a past-tense verb. As part of "had been decorated". That's completely different from "Denny has a newly-decorated kitchen".

Date: Mon Jan 2 14:29:11 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
well... i did say "or something like that" an example on the linked grammarly.com page re load-bearing walls suits this discussion other than that i'm out. you can debate it further with the author

Link: How to Use a Hyphen Correctly

Date: Mon Jan 2 14:41:17 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I'm out, too, without even checking out that link. I'm well aware there are divergent style formats, as El Guapo already noted. That said...................why am I the only one here who tends to use dashes????

Date: Mon Jan 2 14:43:09 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
The kitchen was newly decorated. No, decorated is not the verb. And the hyphen does not belong.

Date: Mon Jan 2 14:44:16 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Just a few notes on this discussion: - cellmate's linked description is a winner in discussing hyphenation to form adjectives from compound words - adverbs ending in -ly are not hypenated; that is, "newly decorated" would NOT be hyphenated - depending on the preferred style, words following the verb may or may not be hyphenated So, "newly decorated kitchen” has no hyphen whether or not if follows the verb. However, "well-decorated kitchen” uses the hyphen, but "my kitchen is well-decorated" may or may not use the hyphen depending on the preferred style.

Link: How to use a hyphen after adverbs

Date: Mon Jan 2 14:45:19 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
I didn't check the link either. Cross posted.

Date: Mon Jan 2 14:48:00 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
Snowguy was always over-hyphenating. So-annoying.

Date: Tue Jan 3 07:43:23 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
Lol! TN creates all this hoopla, then runs and hides when he's called out for being wrong. Hahahaha

Date: Tue Jan 3 10:29:00 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:
"Ironic" how you and your dictionary have trouble with reading comprehension so often. See this above: I'm out......". Further ironically, it's a tactic you've resorted to countless times to remove yourself from a discussion. Like, countless. That said, I *am* surprised "hardheadedness" is not hyphenated. Makes me wonder if at some point in recent decades it has been added to the lexicon in that format. Not claiming that - just wondering.

Date: Tue Jan 3 10:41:43 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Tidying up a few dangling items: The Chicago Style: a) The Chicago Style for such things does include hyphenation of adverbs that do not end in -ly. One doesn't hyphenate very, either. b) When following the noun, there's no hyphen. From the link below: HIV-positve men vs she is HIV positive c) The Chicago Style also addresses the question about "small business owner" vs "small-business owner". Unhyphenated, it's the owner who is small; hyphenated, it's the business that is small. So, hop, clear as mud? You had a handful of folks with English as their first language arguing the points and often in contradiction. Then we find out that there are different styles that are fully accepted.

Link: https://ophi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/CMS_list.pdf

Date: Tue Jan 3 10:46:40 2023
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
"So, hop, clear as mud?" Very informative, thanks. ✔

Date: Tue Jan 3 10:48:22 2023
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:
And here I was hoping for a clarification of "irony". Sigh.........

Date: Tue Jan 3 10:58:23 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
Blaming one's own shortcomings on someone else.

Date: Tue Jan 3 12:52:54 2023
User: redberet
Message:
Taking over Ubermans thread is really not the way to go.

Date: Tue Jan 3 14:43:58 2023
User: roo
Message:
Never mind red. It's like letting the kids loose in the classroom after the end of the year. In this case it was kicked off by one of the teachers!

Date: Tue Jan 3 14:52:52 2023
User: redberet
Message:
Within these hallowed threads. I figured it was nicer than telling them to get a room.

Date: Tue Jan 3 16:04:42 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:
One could request of old blue the deletion of this entire page. It would not be missed.

Date: Tue Jan 3 16:13:12 2023
User: redberet
Message:
Conversations that are woven into a thread are part of that fabric. Friendly banter never requires deletion.

Date: Tue Jan 3 21:01:37 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
Didn't expect it when i woke up that morning, but I'm ok with the refresher on hyphenating. Thanks Buzz for the summarizations

Date: Fri Jan 6 02:17:24 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
(New table for 2023)

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Date: Fri Jan 13 02:04:50 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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Date: Fri Jan 20 02:09:57 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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Date: Fri Jan 27 02:01:58 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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Date: Fri Feb 3 02:01:09 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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Date: Fri Feb 10 06:57:43 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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Date: Fri Feb 17 02:08:14 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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Date: Fri Feb 24 02:16:51 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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Date: Fri Mar 3 02:06:29 2023
User: Uberman
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Date: Fri Mar 10 02:58:47 2023
User: Uberman
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Date: Fri Mar 17 03:05:11 2023
User: Uberman
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Date: Fri Mar 24 03:01:44 2023
User: Uberman
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Date: Fri Mar 31 04:41:06 2023
User: Uberman
Message:
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