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Subject: World Music

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Date: Sun May 1 15:52:50 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
Why don't we have such a thread?

I start the ball rolling.

Link: İmam Baildi

Date: Mon May 2 02:15:35 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Well, several of us have posted what I'd call "world music" on the "Interesting New music", "Folk music" (that you made several posts on), or, less frequently, on the "old music" threads. I think "world music" is a better thread subject than "folk music", but the crossover may be less than I would think at first. Certainly "folk music" would generally have less electrical instruments, but only in general.

Beyond that......................in the U.S., "world music" is **sometimes** synonymous with, or conflated with, African and/or Caribbean and/or S.A. music. "Afrobeat" is one of my favorite musical styles, but here it's hard to be exposed to much of it (easily). (Thank you Mr. Internet.) Reggae (or "reggie" music as it was labeled in an old SNL skit) is also one of my most-listened formats. A few of us have posted some of that. Further............it hasn't been that long since we spent time commenting on the big-production Sri Lankan video. (Can't remember which thread.) Further still............I've posted 3 or 4 of the "Playing for change" videos, which altho mostly in English, certainly have an all-world flavor and all-world participants. I think at least 2 of those are in the "Interesting New Music" thread. The Taj one might be in the "old music" thread; not sure.

I've considered starting a thread similar to what you suggest (or now have started), but I guess I've just been content to post in the pre-existing threads. Another barrier to broader participation, sadly, is that we don't have as many non-U.S. players as we used to have. Seems like we used to have 2x or 3x as many, if not more than that. But bring it on.......

Date: Mon May 2 02:29:27 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
"it hasn't been that long since we spent time commenting on the big-production Sri Lankan video. (Can't remember which thread.)"

Yes. I posted that video in "really different covers". It's no big deal to post it here again.

"Long Train Running" has always been one of my favorite songs.

Link: Really different cover of "Long Train Running"

Date: Mon May 2 09:15:51 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:
This thread is a good idea. I was never sure what to do with the posts of this nature in the other threads, but this context will be more inviting to those of us with favorite national/regional genres but unfamiliar with others.

Date: Mon May 2 14:10:58 2022
User: redberet
Message:
This would also qualify under different covers if you know the song. I enjoy this version.

Link: Sabor a Mi

Date: Tue May 3 16:23:05 2022
User: sebcbien2
Message:
I currently listen while playing an internet radio named"Radio Paradise", an eclectic one, commercial free, containing some word music, oldies, classical, few french good ones, electro

Link: Radio Paradise

Date: Wed May 4 06:01:15 2022
User: _.!._
Message:
Hop,this music of India is very beautiful.Thanks.

Date: Wed May 4 07:04:40 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
De nada.

Date: Wed May 4 13:20:11 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
I'm confused. *What* music of India? Is he referring to the Sri Lankan Doobies cover?

And...............what's with the overdubbed track(?) on the Imam Baildi selection for about 10 seconds beginning at ~1:42? Even the singer looks embarrassed. Not's that there's anything necessarily wrong with doing that, but it's bad form to make it look so awkward - unless there's something there I'm somehow missing.

Date: Wed May 4 13:50:04 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
"Is he referring to the Sri Lankan Doobies cover?"
I supposed so. What else can it be?

"what's with the overdubbed track(?) on the Imam Baildi selection for about 10 seconds beginning at ~1:42?"
I think it's part of the song but it may be a playback performance. 1:42 is about at 1:32 in the link below.

Link: Imam Baildi Akrogialies Deilina

Date: Wed May 4 14:11:50 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Yes, I think that's literally the exact pre-recorded overdub. Tacky, imo. Especially in the last one you provide, as they have two female vocalists on stage. Why? That kind of thing, unless it's sort of 'set up' by introduction or some other 'expectation' or necessity, makes one doubt the whole thing. But maybe that's just my Milli Vanilli-burned consciousness talking. (Not that I would like them even a tiny little bit, anyway.) When I go see live music, I wanna see LIVE music. Obvious exceptions are one-man-band kinds of things, or pre-recorded things while something visual is playing in the background - and not even keen on that. I'm sure there are other acceptable exceptions, but I think you get my point.

Many bands just don't do live performances of songs they've recorded with huge amounts of overdubbing or studio trickery - and props to them for not trying. Or..........and props for this, too...............they make it so different as to be a novel, or semi-novel rendering. And yeah, I know.................my objection is sort of a "you-kids-get-off-my-lawn!" type of complaint. But that's what makes live music so enjoyable. I think I mentioned once upon a time that the only (noteworthy (counter-pun intended)) concert I ever just walked out of was Bob Seeger (with near-stage seats) because I just might as well have been listening to the record(s). *Nothing* was being added to the experience - and I'm fairly easy to please along those lines, generally.

Sorry for the rant. I guess that's just a pet peeve I have against over-production. I want to be 'challenged' - at least a little.

Date: Wed May 4 14:27:27 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
"When I go see live music, I wanna see LIVE music. Obvious exceptions are one-man-band kinds of things, or pre-recorded things while something visual is playing in the background - and not even keen on that. I'm sure there are other acceptable exceptions, but I think you get my point. "

Yes I get your point. Check this out then. This guy is one of those whom I would like to listen to live. I have more than twenty of his live recordings in my mp3 collection and live ones sounds much better than studio recordings in my opinion.

Link: Dino Merlin

Date: Wed May 4 14:59:33 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Not a whole lot wrong with that - other than I don't know the language, which is my fault, not theirs.

I could nit-pik, though. I'm generally not a fan at all of the over-production in the way of all the flashy lighting effects. Incredibly distracting. I MUCH prefer a band, or solo artist, to just stand (or sit, if need be) there and play. LET THE MUSIC SPEAK FOR ITSELF. Music *is* entertainment, sure, but I mostly want to experience it as an art form - I want the performer(s) to 'teach' me something, or challenge me, like an art museum does, or a great film (back when they could be viewed for less than the price of a week's groceries). Make me think; make me emote; make me wonder; make me see things I've never seen before. Draw me in conceptually and break a boundary or three.

One more extremely tiny nit-pik: the fans, who know all the words and sing along. Reminds me all too much of a bunch of U.S. country fans - who go to 'those things' almost *in order to* sing along with the big hits. This may sound snobbish, but that sorta works against the philosophies I drag out above. But all that's just my personal preference(s). Everyone is free to experience and enjoy music however they want to. All that is not to detract from what appears to be a fine performance by the band in the link you provide.

Finally...........as another analogy..............would I rather see a live baseball game from 1972 or 2022? Well, from 1972, because it was more pure sport - not so much juiced-up "entertainment". Similarly....................I'd (IN GENERAL) much rather see a bare-bones live band in 1972 (just as a proxy date for "earlier times"), warts and all, than a very-heavily-produced example from "modern times". There's nothing, really, wrong with *adding* extra content, IF IF IF it doesn't detract from the music. Wow - didn't mean to go all down this road so far.......

Date: Wed May 4 17:20:44 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
" I think I mentioned once upon a time that the only (noteworthy (counter-pun intended)) concert I ever just walked out of was Bob Seeger (with near-stage seats) because I just might as well have been listening to the record(s)."

Did you ask for a refund?

Date: Wed May 4 17:28:36 2022
User: Klepp
Message:
Since I enjoyed Imam Baildi the other day, she's now in the circle of songs in the "My Music" thread in YouTube...mmmm, cookies...I wonder if Giannis listened to her back in the day?

Link: Giannis, for those who don't know

Date: Wed May 4 18:03:56 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
No, no refund request. In fact, most likely I had a free ticket. Very likely I did. But that would have been kinda silly, as any artist's choice of how/what they're going to do should have very wide latitude. Never even crossed my mind. It was just boring. And he had a top-notch band.

Date: Thu May 5 00:38:30 2022
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:
Hmm, does this need yet another thread?

Could Bob Seeger in concert been worse than Boston? Paid money to see them (Boston) in Princeton NJ and the whole concert was a bad attempt to recreate their first album live. Easily the worst concert I’ve ever paid for.

Now, World Music. I live in the USA, outside of Seattle. Can I count Jethro Tull or Dire Straits/Mark Knopfler?

Date: Thu May 5 02:17:14 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Well, I saw Boston twice during a similar time frame (altho likely slightly earlier), on two different tours, at two different sites, and I was satisfied both times. Don't think I'd put either in the top 50, or maybe even top 100 shows I've seen.........but that covers a lot of ground.

As to your "counting".................that's up to you, but most juries would disallow that, I think. Altho Ian Anderson was almost a culture unto himself - so you could at least make a case.

Date: Thu May 5 04:47:26 2022
User: outskirts
Message:
.....fell asleep during Jethro Tull....lol...

Date: Thu May 5 06:24:12 2022
User: redberet
Message:
Links please, not just let's remember.

Date: Thu May 5 06:37:38 2022
User: outskirts
Message:
okay

Date: Thu May 5 11:56:10 2022
User: redberet
Message:
I should be more specific. Cooked.

Date: Thu May 5 12:14:41 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Hm. My original impression, which is obviously wrong, is that outskirts was demonstrating prophase I of mitosis.

Date: Sat May 14 11:26:53 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Great stuff. Lots of memories...

Link: https://youtu.be/0jl4IOSLX-o

Date: Sat May 14 16:10:56 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
Live now...

Link: Eurovision Song Contest 2022 - Grand Final - Full Show - Live St

Date: Sun May 15 02:54:55 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
I used to watch this contest for many years in the past but I did not at least more than ten years until last night when I came across the live stream posted above.

The following song is from the 1975 contest. It came last in the voting with only three points given by Monaco, but it was one of best so far (IMO).

The link is a great cover but the original from eurovision scene is below:
https://youtu.be/hF7yQ_d8rJg

Link: Gece Yolcuları - Seninle Bir Dakika

Date: Fri Jun 10 08:21:39 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
Sometimes a strong and emotional human voice accompanied by a simple instrument would do.

Link: Selda - Minnet Eylemem

Date: Tue Aug 2 11:46:41 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
Oye cómo va mi ritmo. Listen to how my rhythm goes.
Bueno pa' gozar, mulata. (It's) good for having fun, mulatta.

Very short lyrics.

Link: Oye Cómo Va

Date: Tue Aug 2 12:01:24 2022
User: outskirts
Message:
Love me some Santana

This song I guess is a crossover - it's on my Santana vinyl double album, Moonflower and probably on a Willie album too. I really love it, and not a bad slide show.

Link: Willie and Carlos

Date: Wed Aug 3 00:00:32 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
In Hop's video (one of the "Playing for Change" series), Cindy Blackman (Santana) and Cory Wells are just total beasts. Corey started out on a Hammond B3 (or nearly did) very, very young, so that talks talent right there. Cindy, who spent a year at Berklee, has "played with everybody", and just has all the tools. I suspect you jazzsters know her work already.

Date: Sat Aug 6 00:31:34 2022
User: ixtapolapoquetl
Message:
great, yet another hurdy gurdy compilation post

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqHeOcItSkQ&ab_channel=MichalinaMalisz

Date: Sat Aug 6 00:54:42 2022
User: ixtapolapoquetl
Message:
actually meant to post this, there is more stuff here

Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/helvetion

Date: Sat Aug 6 05:25:14 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
Iconic guitar riffs? I looked if this thing was there also but no.

Link: Surfing with the alien

Date: Sat Aug 6 09:39:07 2022
User: ixtapolapoquetl
Message:
i bet this guy could play it

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtvpXr9O0J4&t=49s&ab_channel=GuilhemDesq

Date: Fri Aug 26 23:21:19 2022
User: ix
Message:
i feel guilty for not being able to satiate the hurdy gurdy mania i have started, but here is a charcuterie style nibble

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv_Ap7pRYFc&ab_channel=GuilhemDesq

Date: Thu Sep 15 03:46:02 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
Touchy lyrics sung by a male voice accompanied by a classical music instrument (piano) and a Turkish folk music instrument (saz).

As simple as that yet beautiful. So it gets 300 million something views.

Link: Ben yoruldum

Date: Thu Sep 15 22:52:11 2022
User: ix
Message:
you know what i *love* about videos like that, is that the cinematography is as good as the music. i think this one is pretty good also (sort of a throat singing thing but quite a bit more)

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdN1U9NvuIc&ab_channel=BetterNoiseMusic

Date: Fri Sep 16 03:47:28 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
The music's ok, but it's absolutely ruined by the overproduction; the ridiculously-quick camera cuts, etc. "But maybe it's just me." Reminds me of those Celtic (mostly wimmens) "specials" that SNL parodies. Another one of those types of things that must be required in film school these days (along with the slo-mo pharmaceutical ads).
I much prefer when a band just gets up there and does their thing. I think I posted this a few years ago, but can't find it. (Heck - it may be earlier in this thread.) If'n I remember correctly, you liked it a lot. There's a longer version, too, but I think I just posted this excerpt. It rocks.

Link: bump of Tuvan singing from earlier

Date: Fri Sep 16 04:46:28 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
This is pretty nice, too - same guys a few years later in Bejing. HD audio and video.

Link: Huun Huur Tu in Bejing, 2016

Date: Fri Sep 16 07:16:11 2022
User: olblue
Message:
Speaking of the hurdy gurdy.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quynEWf4CI4

Date: Mon Sep 19 14:51:44 2022
User: Klepp
Message:
I think I might have this played constantly at subliminal levels, if I happened to be running a smarty-pants sort of undertaking...

Link: Deep Focus Music for Studying and Concentration

Date: Tue Sep 20 01:18:13 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
I guess it can help me focus not to think anything.

I have always been listening to music when I work something (solving a math problem, study for the tomorrow's exam of a hard lesson, write some code, or write some technical document, and even playing freecell, etc.). But not this kind of music. I like the songs with varying tempos, up and down. My mind focuses sometime on the work and sometime on the music. It works well for me.


Date: Wed Oct 5 21:42:46 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Yonatan Gat is an edgy Israeli musician, originally dabbling in insane punk but has evolved to more artistic explorations. This track linked below is from 2014, still with overtones from his wilder roots.

Link: Yonatan Gat, “Escorpiao”

Date: Thu Oct 6 05:21:21 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
That's some strong "overtones" - not that I'd have anything to compare it to.

Date: Tue Nov 1 03:27:16 2022
User: HopDiriDiriDattiriDittiriDom
Message:
I see this song covered internationally. And this is the newest cover from Altın Gün.

Link: Altın Gün - Leylim Ley

Date: Fri Nov 25 03:48:16 2022
User: Klepp
Message:
How unfortunate of me to have not discovered this duo's soulful music before now...

Link: For King & Country (band)

Date: Tue Jan 3 18:21:39 2023
User: Klepp
Message:
This sh** is pretty cool...punk remade with trippier beats...

Link: Nouvelle Vague - Bande à Part (Full Album)

Date: Wed Jan 11 02:51:25 2023
User: Klepp
Message:
Minimalism is glorious (Eno knows as well).

Link: SATIE - Gymnopedies 1, 2, 3

Date: Tue Jan 17 03:38:11 2023
User: Klepp
Message:
This is nouveau Krautrock...chillable for me, for sure...

Link: Com Truise - Iteration (Full Album)

Date: Tue Jan 17 03:48:26 2023
User: Klepp
Message:
Born of this:

Link: Kraftwerk - Trans Europe Express 1977


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