Subject: Rarely won winnables.
Server time: Sun Sep 20 11:29
Date: Sun Mar 26 04:36:55 2023
User: Klepp
Message:9x2 13189-7
beat it one try a-holes, I couldn't
Date: Mon Mar 27 06:42:49 2023
User: TitanicTony
Message:Game: 6x4 24769-5; ..... Game stats: 67/3/4.5%/2084; ..... Player Elo: 2397.777 ▲ 1.143.
Date: Mon Mar 27 12:48:28 2023
User: outskirts
Message:"....decent societal behavior..."
You mean like the #1 rule of society?
~Mind Your Own Business~
Date: Tue Mar 28 17:12:31 2023
User: redberet
Message:Solution was apparent, getting there took a little time.
Game: 10x0 23236-5
Game stats: 19/2/10.5%/1992
Player Elo: 1858.005 ▲ 5.588
Elapsed: 10:01
Date: Fri Apr 7 11:51:57 2023
User: datrox-3
Message:Game: 6x4 24272-5
Game stats: 67/2/3%/2186
Hard, but I was surprised at how low the win percentage was
Date: Thu May 4 06:27:02 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:This game was a good start to my day:
Game: W11x1 26206-6
Game stats: 16/2/12.5%/1743
Player Elo: 2195.094 ▲ 0.556.
Date: Tue May 9 18:22:32 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:Game: 10x0 831-5
Game stats: 26/2/7.7%/2049
Player Elo: 2208.082 ▲ 2.330.
Date: Thu May 11 04:27:11 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:Is there any way, Hop and/or cellmate.............to determine how many tries it took for whoever won this game?
11x0 114-5. Now 1/40.
Only the last 4 are mine. Somebody had some nice mojo if they beat it first try. I *strongly* recommend moving it to either climate 9, or more likely climate 10.
Date: Thu May 11 04:47:46 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
ForGotteNNapKiN got it first try on May 1
Date: Thu May 11 05:37:30 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:Serious mojo. Thanks.
EDIT: It looks like that player was "hunting" unwon games, in numeric order. And it's listed as "Not scored". So there's really no way to know if that player had (or hadn't) also tried it earlier, right? Perhaps keeps a list, or refers to Denny's database occasionally, to whittle those down?
Date: Thu May 11 06:53:39 2023
User: sebcbien2
Message:here are all tries since Sep 14 2021
20220716.csv:1657989806,ixtapolapoquetl,11,0,5,114,L,1,171
20221213.csv:1670908057,Rocky1,11,0,5,114,L,0,163
20230501.csv:1682999131,ForGotteNNapKiN,11,0,5,114,W,1,273
Date: Thu May 11 06:57:39 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:Thanks, sebcbien, but you'll have to 'decipher' those last several digits. I can get the "11,0,5,114", but don't know the rest of it.
Date: Thu May 11 13:56:42 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
TN, they may have been looking at my variant overview page
Link: Variant Overview
Date: Thu May 11 16:00:07 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:I see. I sure wish MrFixit would codify some of these 'extra' things like you and Hop have conjured up, but I know, or suspect, that he feels that the main page is crowded enough already. One thing on that link I don't comprehend is "How many games vs. elo". Perhaps you could add an explanation or definition for that? I could probably suss it out if I tried hard enough, but just thinking that would make it easier for others to grasp it. My best guess is that it's graphing the number of *game* elos, out of the 32K+. I.e., the total number of the bars would add up to the 32K+ number. The alternative that one could imagine would be that it represents the number of 11x0 games played by *players* with those elo scores.
No big deal - just an idea.
Date: Thu May 11 17:49:59 2023
User: sebcbien2
Message:TN, it's detailed in Score Feed page
to summarize,
datetime: Unix epoch date and time for when the game was completed
username: nickname of user
columns: number of columns
cells: number of cells
difficulty: difficulty 1-12
game number: unique seed for this game
win/lose: W = win, L = lose
mode: 0 = streak, 1 = not scored, 2 = tournament, 3 = blind tournament, 4 = winnable, 5 = HotStreak
elapsed: Elapsed playing time in seconds
Link: Score Feed
Date: Thu May 11 18:05:46 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:Thanks, but that's far too much for a non-programmer to wade through. So I'd already guessed that the "W" meant the game had been won. And my guess on the "1,273" would be # of times it had been played? Or is the "1" the "mode"? And then that would be that "273" would be playing time in seconds? And so the # of times the game has been played is not in that info, but as we know is available elsewhere, right?
So let me re-phrase the question - or more properly, extend it: Is there a way to know if that was ForGotteNNapKiN's first encounter with that game? I guess it doesn't matter all that much, as she (presumably) knew that it had been played a bunch of times and not won, but was winnable - therefore knew to tread carefully. Nothing technically wrong with that...........but as I've mentioned before.............it takes the joy out of someone stumbling on it and making a nice first ascent. There's no denying that winning a known winnable game that's currently 1/36 is easier to win than simply coming upon it in regular play. Further evidence, imo, that winnables are easier. IMO, a very clear manifestation, if'n I'm reading all the data correctly.
Date: Thu May 11 19:07:51 2023
User: sebcbien2
Message:indeed, 1 is the mode (Not Scored) and 273 the number of seconds (4mn33)
and it doesn't show the number of wins/losses for that you can get it in the individual game stat page
as the stats show there is only one win and ForGotteNNapKiN won it then yes she/he was the first
Date: Thu May 11 22:28:31 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:But we still don't know if that player had played it at some point earlier, right? She (presumably) could have played it 10 times or more at some earlier meandering through the unwon-but-winnable games - *if* I'm interpreting things correctly. Is that right?
Date: Fri May 12 03:01:49 2023
User: sebcbien2
Message:ForGotteNNapKiN played 27 11x0 as per that player's stat page : https://www.freecell.net/f/c/ps.html?u=ForGotteNNapKiN&submit=Go
I checked the daily stat files to count the number of 11x0 played in streak mode and got 27 games
> grep ForGotteNNapKiN *.csv | grep ',11,0,' | grep ',0,' | wc -l
> 27
so for sure, he/she never played 11x0 in streak mode before these
the very first 11x0 played by ForGotteNNapKiN whatever mode was on April 9th 2022
of course, he/she could have played some 11x0 in 'tournament','hot streak','not score' modes before Sep 2021, there is no way to verify
Date: Fri May 12 04:51:27 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:I see, and agree with what you see, sebcbien2. Thank you for your efforts.
Date: Thu May 18 23:51:17 2023
User: Klepp
Message:8x2 32617-5
first of 50, nice and tough
(rare, since somebody else''ll beat it).
Date: Sat May 27 03:51:32 2023
User: smelly_cootiefied_fence_post
Message:This one was fairly stinky, but I handled it. Should definitely be moved to a much higher climate level. First game in the 6x5 SSC:
16656-5
Now 2/18.
Date: Mon Jun 5 15:38:23 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:Game: W9x2 14642-10
Game stats: 28/3/10.7%/1943
Player Elo: 2251.565 ▲ 1.175.
Date: Fri Jun 9 07:11:18 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:DAMN, I messed up this one. This was on replay:
You Win
Game: 9x0 25331-5
Game stats: 30/2/6.7%.
Date: Tue Jun 20 13:12:32 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:Game: W6x5 3196-8
Game stats: 11/2/18.2%/1920
Player Elo: 2246.512 ▲ 1.071.
Date: Sat Jun 24 17:45:16 2023
User: TitanicTony
Message:Game: 10x0 26191-5; ... Game stats: 20/2/10%/2015; ... Player Elo: 2372.750 ▲ 0.912.
Date: Mon Jun 26 03:03:08 2023
User: cellmate
Message:
Ouch!
Sorry You Lose
We made too many wrong mistakes. - Yogi Berra
Game: 11x0 32580-8
Game stats: 6/3/50%/981
Elo: 1754.848 ▼-7.916
Elapsed: 0:46
Streak was: 3
Date: Mon Jun 26 09:06:07 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:Game: 10x0 23508-5
Game stats: 15/2/13.3%/1969
Player Elo: 2259.725 ▲ 1.279.
Date: Mon Jun 26 12:19:26 2023
User: d164280
Message:10x0 820-5 2/26 10x0 22298-5 1/16 no external aids.
Date: Tue Jun 27 15:08:20 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:Game: 10x0 13674-5
Game stats: 31/2/6.5%/2073
Player Elo: 2263.634 ▲ 2.043.
Date: Thu Jun 29 18:17:28 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:Game: 11x0 23305-5
Game stats: 31/3/9.7%.
Unfortunately, it was my 2ND try, grrrr.
Date: Fri Jul 7 12:31:01 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:Game: 9x0 11698-5
Game stats: 29/3/10.3%/2142
Player Elo: 2265.327 ▲ 2.690.
I thought this one was relatively easy.
Date: Fri Jul 14 15:06:11 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:Wicked one: 9x2 22347-8 |
| Game stats: | 9/2/22.2%/1733
Can't get the color stuff figgered out. Shows up in yellow by default. |
Date: Fri Jul 21 20:33:02 2023
User: Punster
Message:Game: W12X1 34542-10
Game stats: 272/27/9.9%/2000
Player Elo: 2062.511 ▲ 3.316
This one is one of the toughest 12X1's I've ever played
Date: Sun Jul 23 17:52:55 2023
User: Ellie2
Message: Game:
| 5x7 23872-5 |
Game stats:
| 6/2/33.3%/1728 |
| Player Elo: | 2278.058 ▲ 0.324. |
Date: Sun Jul 23 20:21:04 2023
User: mmanx
Message:Date: Fri Jul 21 20:33:02 2023
User: Punster
Message:
Game: W12X1 34542-10
Game stats: 272/27/9.9%/2000
MUST BE TYPO...HIGHEST NUMBERED GAME IS 32767. Well, this is the case on CUSTOM games, which is where one must challenge oneself to conquer these rarely won winnables.
Date: Sun Jul 23 21:22:59 2023
User: Punster
Message:Hey, you're right, sorry about that, it was a typo =>
Game: W12X1 32542-10
Game stats: 272/27/9.9%/2000
Player Elo: 2062.511 ▲ 3.316
This one is one of the toughest 12X1's I've ever played
Date: Mon Jul 24 00:28:32 2023
User: mmanx
Message:12x1 32542-10
Cracked it on my second try with an elapsed of 11:01. Not too shabby for someone who almost exclusively plays 13x0 variants. (Quite rusty with the use of the free cells.) It was fun, and I hate losing.
Thanks for sharing.
Date: Sat Aug 5 11:37:54 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:You Win. Game: 8x2 20795-5
Game stats: 50/4/8%/1974
Player Elo: 2255.227 ▲ 1.343.
Date: Sat Aug 5 17:58:39 2023
User: Ellie2
Message:I seem to have mostly difficult 8x2 games today.
Game: 8x2 30497-5
Game stats: 50/3/6%/2041
Player Elo: 2255.551 ▲ 1.835.
Date: Sun Aug 6 07:05:17 2023
User: Ellie2
Message: Game:
| 8x2 22642-5 |
Game stats:
| 48/4/8.3%/1969 |
Player Elo:
| 2256.848 ▲ 1.296 |
Date: Tue Aug 8 07:24:51 2023
User: TitanicTony
Message: Game: W9x2 29936-10
Game stats: 10/2/20%/1645
Player Elo: 2354.215 ▲ 0.133.
Date: Thu Aug 10 20:15:26 2023
User: rbw--3
Message:
Not very helpful for a hot streak game:
| 9x2 25506-8 | HotStreak | 4:30 | Won | 5.8% | 1995 | 4 | 69
|
Date: Fri Aug 11 16:20:55 2023
User: TitanicTony
Message: Game: 5x8 5653-8
Game stats: 19/3/15.8%/1940
Player Elo: 2356.459 ▲ 0.672
Date: Mon Aug 14 19:20:05 2023
User: TitanicTony
Message:Game: 6x4 4211-5; Game stats: 78/3/3.8%/2131; Player Elo: 2343.489 ▲ 1.850.
Date: Tue Aug 15 15:29:14 2023
User: firenze
Message:Yeah, but how many times did you lose with that deckocards?
Date: Tue Aug 15 16:56:47 2023
User: TitanicTony
Message:firenze, the system says it's OK!
I'm pleased with my Elo increase: "Player Elo: 2343.489 ▲ 1.850".
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