Subject: Cheating or maybe just working the system

Date: Fri Apr 8 15:53:00 2011
User: lrrwderby
Message:
no that would not be nice.and I can't prove it .I wish I could explain it better,so everyone would know what i mean.

Date: Fri Apr 8 18:54:13 2011
User: Denny
Message:
So that we can all examine and understand the claim please give the name. Don't worry about nice, it wouldn't be the 1st time someone was un-nice here.

I frankly did not understand your previous post. I know you're trying hard to explain it but I couldn't parse.

Denny

Date: Fri Apr 8 19:11:12 2011
User: lrrwderby
Message:
ok Denny it just happend again. TitanicTony in 12x2 it said current 116921
best 116921 100%
played 116922 99%

then I clicked on his name it would say game in prosgues yes like everyone said it would. ..but then I keeped checking and then would say game in progrose no 99% at 116922 games ..then checked again and it game in progrose yes but the same 116922 100% dose this make sence.
I hope this person is not mad at me

Date: Fri Apr 8 21:43:03 2011
User: !_--FAST-ISHAM--_
Message:
Thats odd. 99%,then up to 100% still at 116922 games. Only problem is he DOES lose on other variants. If hes cheating,Id think hed be at 100%(or 100.7 even)across ALL variants. Sounds like youre seeing a live stat anomaly but Denny should know if thats the case.

Date: Sat Apr 9 16:49:54 2011
User: lrrwderby
Message:
go back and look again, they do have a lot of 100%. they can't fix them all because then people will deffantly think they know how to fix a lose to a win. you won't convince me that they are not cheating

Date: Sun Apr 10 07:43:32 2011
User: Snowguy
Message:
The way I see it is nobody has been trying to convince you that person has not been cheating. They have just been posing possibilities.

Date: Sun Apr 10 07:53:38 2011
User: firenze
Message:
Is it possible that TitanicTony is really ontariorose?

And, like a dog chasing his tail, he is really chasing himself.

Or, like Groundhog Day, it's deju vu all over again.

Date: Sun Apr 10 08:10:31 2011
User: EZ-Ed3-LAnseMI
Message:
I've found Tony to be on the silent side. I've seen folks over the years talk about, or to, TitanicTony in discussion, but I can't every remember seeing Tony post or entering chat.

Date: Sun Apr 10 12:36:20 2011
User: lrrwderby
Message:
for the person who said it is impossble to see the loses, all you have to do is take the number of games played and subtrack the number of wins and you have your number of loses. In tony case there were 116921 wins and 116922 played whith time at 2;11 game over ..then he went back and fixed it ot 116922 wins a perfact score. and if he got his perfact streak after he second game like some one said he would not have a perfact score of 100% just keep an eye on him and you might see what i am talking about.

Date: Sun Apr 10 12:53:07 2011
User: Denny
Message:
Can some others cross-check this? At a glance this doesn't sound any different from what has been described to happen as you have a game in progress, but I don't have time to try to parse this entire thread.

Again, on the server the way wins are determined is much more complex than the browser simply reporting "win." Once a loss is recorded into the DB there's no server command to go fix that loss. So I can't imagine a way you could fix a loss since there's literally no code to do that.

I could imagine ways folks could *avoid* a loss by doing some of the things that have been suggested involving solvers and physical card decks and such but I've never consider that cheating, just obsessive behavior as anyone could do that.

12x2 and all 14 sum games tend to be quite easy so it doesn't seem inconceivable to me someone is actually winning this many games. There are simply some really good card players in the universe.

Denny

Date: Sun Apr 10 22:03:50 2011
User: joeygray
Message:
.e admires Denny

I'm glad to hear that the client has to do more than just say 'I won'! That and some seriously obsessive reverse engineering (which I personally am not capable of but imagine somebody or other is) would result in the easiest cheat of them all. If the browser has to report the whole winning move sequence and the server verifies the legality of said sequence, then, well, you'd just have to solve the game to cheat! .applaud denny

Date: Sun Apr 10 22:25:23 2011
User: CubicSprock
Message:
if there is some lag that could be possible...the 12x3 and 12x4 stats are interesting for sure...

12 x 3
current streak: 1530
best streak: 1530
plays: 1529
wins: 1530
win percent: 100.07%
average time: 1:59 minutes
daily streak: 0
best today: 0
best daily: 60


12 x 4
current streak: 1143
best streak: 1143
plays: 1144
wins: 1143
win percent: 99.91%
average time: 1:49 minutes
daily streak: 0
best today: 0
best daily: 53



it almost appears as if a game was credited as a win in 12x3 but a play in 12x4. I'm pretty sure this has been noticed before, but not sure if it was on his stats or someone elses?