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Date: Mon May 15 17:48:18 2023
User: MrFixit
Message:
This is from a few days ago. I've never heard of 'em. You?

Link: Helion to supply fusion power to Microsoft

Date: Mon May 15 18:05:35 2023
User: olblue
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Commercial fusion power in five years? I wouldn't count on it.

Date: Mon May 15 21:22:41 2023
User: MrFixit
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The last two paras :

Andrew Holland, head of the Fusion Industry Association, said nothing about fusion has been easy and that the power purchase contract likely had clauses regarding the timing of the delivery of electricity. But he said the deal shows trust is building.

"The business world is starting to understand that fusion is coming and perhaps sooner than a lot of people thought," Holland said in an interview. "It's a vote of confidence that Helion is on its way, as are other companies building their proof-of-concept machines now."

Date: Fri Jun 2 05:03:24 2023
User: TNmountainman
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A special edition of "Science" has just been published, concerning the 'evolution' of primate DNA, etc. It's an astoundingly ambitious project, as befits a special edition.

Here's a more-or-less lay version of the story, which many here may want to go to to understand the implications:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-primate-genome-project-reveals-hidden-evolutionary-secrets/ar-AA1c0c2M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=645f27a5368b46cfa25e016742be3709&ei=39

Over 800 individual primates were sequenced, from 233 species. A truly massive project, leveraging comparative genetics to a level never imagined until very recently. There's lots and lots to be learned from all this, including peering into how some genetic mutations cause disease, and some don't. The repercussions and further studies to branch off this work will go on very far into the future.

Link: The massive primate genome project unfurled

Date: Sat Jun 3 06:36:55 2023
User: TNmountainman
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Back to physics...........

This (hyperlink) is of course just a theory, with a model, but it should be noted that the Schwinger Effect *was* observed a year or so ago. Sorta.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-023-01978-9

I actually think this makes sense - as much as anything concerning mega- and micro-scale quantum effects can.

[I actually just found a quite good (mostly) lay level article/description of this phenomenon - in, of all places, Yahoo!. I'll follow with a separate post with that link.]

Link: Black holes not required for Hawking radiation?

Date: Sat Jun 3 06:44:04 2023
User: TNmountainman
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This really is a superb explanation (as far as it goes) for this theory. And altho it *is* on Yahoo!, they've just taken it from "LiveScience". Those of you who fairly recently reviewed vacuum energy on my recommendation relevant to another article will have a head start here. 😊

[Edit/addition -- I sort of hesitate to say this...........but the "comments" section for this article is moderately 'entertaining'. Sort of befitting for a Yahoo! article, I guess, but with the occasional (pun intended) particle of physics thrown in.]

Link: Hawking radiation may not be so limited as we thought

Date: Tue Jun 6 05:37:28 2023
User: TNmountainman
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Some impressive work done in those squirrely caves in S. Africa where h. naledi lived. Go back, in this thread, to Apr. 19, 2019 to see my previous post. And/or recall the "Nova" show about this hominid. This whole puzzle just keeps getting interesting-er and interesting-er.

(As of now only in pre-print.)

Link: new discoveries about homo naledi

Date: Mon Jun 26 05:35:56 2023
User: TNmountainman
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It's been over 9 years now since I started this thread with a post about the proof of gravitational waves. Now........Thursday........there will be an "announcement" about whether or not *gravitational* wave background has been detected. This will be the gravitational analogy of the famous CMB (cosmic microwave background) nailed down back in the '60s. So a very big deal - assuming they've shown it to be the case. If not.................then there will have to be some new "back to the blackboard" head-scratching.

Normally I wouldn't post this 'preview', but it really does a rather good (like *really* good) job of (woman)'splaining the science. This is a project involving several different gravity wave detectors around the world, so a lot of planning and coordination has gone into this.

Link: gravitational wave background detection?

Date: Thu Jun 29 05:52:46 2023
User: TNmountainman
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And.................yes, they're 'real'. 67 pulsars used in the timing. Many papers being published in various journals about the study. Amazing stuff.....

Link: gravitational wave background confirmed

Date: Fri Jun 30 06:36:58 2023
User: TNmountainman
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More about the above.......

Link: "music" of the spheres (and other heavenly bodies)

Date: Wed Jul 5 22:54:42 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
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Yes, lots of interesting things to read here. It would seem like some set of scientists will be considered, and likely win, a Noble prize for this. But, it might be hard to pick out the winners from the large set of scientists on this.

One question I haven't seen asked (or answered) was if the technology to detect these long-wavelength gravitational waves actually sitting around for a long time? The concept is pretty straightforward: see if pulsars keep a steady pulse beat or if they waver slightly due to gravitational waves? Seems like a much easier nut to crack than the LIGO (and others since) detectors that found the short-wavelength gravitational waves.

And, the result kind of confirms what the JWST has already been indicating: we have been off in our understanding of the early universe. This seems to re-enforce what the Webb data has been showing.

Date: Thu Jul 6 02:59:07 2023
User: TNmountainman
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Dr. B, I'm a little unclear about your last paragraph. Would you mind elucidating further on the "we have been off" comment. I'm not saying that's wrong, just unsure what specifically you're referring to. Obviously, since we have FAR FAR FAR from complete knowledge of all the gears, our understanding has giant holes (beyond the black ones) in it. And yes, there are 'surprises' all the time. Are you referring to the latest galaxy distance/degree of development 'news'? The (somewhat?) surprising thought that these largest rotating black holes are maybe even bigger than expected? (Altho nobody really knew....)

As to the technology.......................yes, once the first, and then the second LIGO-like devices were up and running, it became easier to build on that. So yes, the theory of pulsars' timing varying by these waves is nothing brand spanking new at all. But we had to wait on the LIGO detector(s) to be able to confirm the theory. So it's a matter, as I understand it, of matching up the gravity waves with the tiny discrepancies of the gravity waves' effects which intervene between the 67 pulsars and earth. And yes, I agree, that once LIGO was shown to 'work', then this step was way easier than that one. And a lot of the data they had already been collecting for over a decade, hoping this would be possible. The ('other') astonishing things (to me) are: a) why/how can something so big (the pulsars) be so regular?; b) that we can calculate the distance between these pulsars and earth to withing about 30m (!!); c) that these newly-detected waves have frequencies on the order of *one billionth* of a hertz(!); and d) that we can measure nanoseconds so accurately. None of those are truly news, but to me always astonishing.

Date: Thu Jul 6 12:01:14 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
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I read where the “hum” of the GWB is louder than was expected implying there were more and larger SMBHs than theories of the early universe after the Big Bang predicted.

Date: Wed Jul 12 02:38:32 2023
User: TNmountainman
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Well, here we go......  I think we could see this coming.  Somebody was gonna take a swing at it.  What it'll amount to remains to be seen (pun intended as usual).

Reinventing cosmology: New research puts age of universe at 26.7 -- not 13.7 -- billion years -- ScienceDaily


I don't really buy the "tired light" theory, nor 'adjustable' coupling constants - but apparently Dirac said it could be possible.  I suspect this goes nowhere - but it may take a long time to find out for sure.


And I guess while we're on this stuff, possibly related:


Quasar 'clocks' show Universe was five times slower soon after the Big Bang: Observational data from nearly 200 quasars show Einstein correct -- again -- about time dilation of the cosmos -- ScienceDaily


Date: Wed Jul 12 03:15:05 2023
User: TNmountainman
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Gosh, I hate to 'dilute' the above, but I think this also qualifies, as a follow-up to posts from July 2020 and Sept. 2021 in this thread, concerning the possibility of the peopling of this hemisphere earlier than "the standard model":

Pendants made from giant sloths suggest earlier arrival of people in the Americas (msn.com)

Here's the actual journal article:

Evidence of artefacts made of giant sloth bones in central Brazil around the last glacial maximum | Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences (royalsocietypublishing.org)

The weight of evidence slowly continues to pile up that peeps were here way before 13-15,000 years ago.




Date: Fri Oct 6 06:28:23 2023
User: TNmountainman
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I made the original post on this 'discovery', in this thread, back on Sept 23, 2021, for those who need the background.  So this is the follow-up we knew was coming:

Scientists say they’ve confirmed evidence that humans arrived in the Americas far earlier than previously thought | CNN

That's a lay version.  Here's the original, and a link to an accompanying article:

Independent age estimates resolve the controversy of ancient human footprints at White Sands | Science

Dating the arrival of humans in the Americas | Science


(Also since the earlier posts........there has been some additional DNA evidence of unexpected(?) linkages of a S.A. (not South Africa or South Australia or San Antonio) tribe or two in Amazonia - with archaic northern Asian (Siberia-ish) peoples.  Fascinating stuff.)


Date: Fri Oct 6 06:34:22 2023
User: TNmountainman
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[accidental posting; no new content]


Date: Wed Oct 11 21:42:55 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
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Not surprising in the least.  The “accepted” date for the first hominids in the Americas gained traction based on weak evidence and momentum gave it way more credibility than it deserved.  I would not be surprised if the real date ends up being even earlier - 30, 40, or more thousand years ago.


Date: Fri Dec 8 13:42:31 2023
User: TNmountainman
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First actual drug to market using CRISPR:

FDA approves two gene therapies for sickle cell, bringing hope to thousands with the disease | CNN


(CRISPR was discussed at least a couple of times earlier in this thread, and maybe others, too.)


Date: Mon Dec 11 19:37:12 2023
User: Katya
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Interesting news coming out of the UK about mRNA vaccines.

The technology that allows the use of mRNA came out of work by two scientists at the U of Pennsylvania (who are receiving the Nobel Prize for it this year) that paved the way for the use of mRNA to make vaccines. Normally foreign RNA is recognized by the immune system as foreign and is destroyed. These researchers Katalin Kariko and Drew Weissmann discovered that by substituting one of the bases in RNA uridine with a pseudouridine the altered mRNAs would survive long enough in the body for ribosomes to copy them and generate proteins.

In the case of the Covid-19 vaccines the desired protein is the spike protein of the virus. What the researchers at Cambridge discovered is that sometimes because of the pseudouridine substitution the ribosomes would make a mistake and generate a nonsense protein instead of the desired spike protein. Ribosomes read the bases in mRNA three at a time (a codon) to put an amino acid into the protein and what would occur about 6% of the time was a so-called frameshift mutation (i.e. one base off so reading the wrong three bases each time after the error) leading to a nonsense protein. These proteins apparently cause no harm and are destroyed by the body, though sometimes immune reactions to them are generated.  Frameshift mutations happen sometimes even with normal mRNAs but less frequently. Researchers further found that this is particularly likely to occur when there were two or three pseudouridines in a row. So at least a partial fix is readily available. Since there is more than one codon that can code for a particular amino acid to be put into the protein codons can be used that don't include multiple pseucouridines in a row.Researchers have generated an algorithm to do that while generating the synthetic mRNAs.

This research has no implications that the vaccines are unsafe or less effective as a result. Other researchers caution that this finding may have implications for other uses of artifical mRNAs, for example in cancer vaccines.

https://www.science.org/content/article/mrna-vaccines-may-make-unintended-proteins-there-s-no-evidence-harm


Date: Tue Dec 12 00:21:23 2023
User: TNmountainman
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That's really elegant stuff there.  And great summary, Katya. Just amazing the tools we've developed, and the ways we can 'make' our bodies also work in our favor.  


Date: Wed Dec 13 11:45:56 2023
User: Dr.Bombay
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Agree, great summary Katya.  messenger RNA vaccines are the best thing to come out of the Covid pandemic.  Very Nobel Prize worthy science. 


Date: Mon Jun 17 13:14:18 2024
User: TNmountainman
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Really interesting dark matter/black holes/cosmology theory discussion:

https://news.mit.edu/2024/exotic-black-holes-could-be-dark-matter-byproduct-0606

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/17/science/black-holes-dark-matter-scn/index.html

The actual paper:

https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.132.231402


[edit:  I refer the dear reader(s) to earlier in this thread, Feb. 17, 2023 (and following) to see other (involved) discussion of black holes as a possible 'solution' to dark energy, via "cosmological coupling".  But I'll provide just one tidbit from back then here:]

“Cosmological Coupling” – New Evidence Points to Black Holes as Source of Dark Energy (scitechdaily.com)


Date: Mon Nov 4 02:21:17 2024
User: TNmountainman
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Don't know how this escaped my notice back in the summer............but this is a big deal.  And yes, of course the Max Planck folks score again:

https://www.science.org/content/article/most-ancient-human-genome-yet-has-been-sequenced-and-it-s-denisovan

For context for those who need it:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.367.6480.838

The diagram therein, "Ghosts in the Family Tree" (sorry just a tad late for Halloween) is an excellent representation of current thinking.


Date: Tue Dec 3 12:28:06 2024
User: TNmountainman
Message:

This sort of adds clarity, whilst at the same time making the picture even more complex:

Homo juluensis: Possible new ancient human species uncovered by researchers

It's an update of a couple of preliminary articles from back in the Spring.


Date: Thu Dec 12 21:49:39 2024
User: TNmountainman
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This all seems a bit too clear-cut (and it likely is), but it's from the gold-standard folks at Max Planck, so............it must be true?  The fossil record is still so scant to make such statements - but they know their stuff:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwydgyy8120o

Expect to hear lots of debate about all this. Sooo much news coming out of archeogenetics work these days 


Date: Thu Feb 13 03:16:03 2025
User: TNmountainman
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Mega-powerful neutrino detected:

https://apnews.com/article/high-energy-neutrino-ghost-particle-c8177a5eabdcab2fd045d92e872e1fb1

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00444-1

We'll hear more about this quest as time goes on.  Pretty scary/awe-inspiring how powerful forces in the universe are.....


Date: Thu Feb 13 13:55:46 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

And a rare case where CNN does a better job of reporting it than anywhere else I can find:

Neutrino: Mystery ‘ghost particle’ from space detected in Mediterranean Sea | CNN


Date: Thu Feb 13 15:59:14 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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Maybe communications with them will someday be used...no interference, anywhere, ever...

Date: Fri Feb 14 00:21:04 2025
User: Dr.Bombay
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Hmm, this article doesn’t answer the first question that pops into my head: how can such a particle pass through the universe without making a shit storm in its wake?


Date: Fri Feb 14 03:00:26 2025
User: TNmountainman
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Well............it's complicated..........  That knowledge is 'out there', but not well understood.  First of all, they have no charge; and their mass is tiny.  Like really, really, REALLY tiny.  And altho it can (and does) interact with the weak force, the effective range of the weak force is so ridiculously small, that a traveling neutrino will miss essentially all other particles it goes by/thru.  Until it doesn't.  And you're probably familiar with the fact that they can have three different "flavors", and 'sort of' (not well understood) 'cycle' thru those as they travel wherever they're going.  (And it's actually even more complicated than that.)  And different methods are needed to sort out the different flavor collisions that do occur (Nobel Prize work).  One way to imagine it is to think of a collision "cross-section", not a point.  Those are very, very tiny for neutrinos, since they are not affected by the strong force.  I once heard it (very roughly) described as throwing a handful of sand thru a large spiderweb.  Extremely crude, but the concept is pretty close.

The number of neutrinos passing thru our bodies each second is almost unimaginable.  Well, *IS* unimaginable.  And you may, or may not, have had a neutrino collision inside your body in your lifetime.  Likely not??  Would be an interesting calculation/thought experiment.

I am *not* any kind of authority on this stuff.  Used to know it better a couple of different times, but it's too much to keep fresh in one's brainbone very long - not to mention the knowledge of these crittters changes pretty often.  Fascinating stuff - as are cosmic rays.


Date: Fri Feb 14 19:43:17 2025
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:

OK, this is the statement in the CNN article that is highly misleading:


“One way I like to think about it is that the energy of this single neutrino is equivalent to the energy released by splitting not one uranium atom, or ten such atoms, or even a million of them,” said study coauthor Dr. Brad K. Gibson in an email. “This one little neutrino had as much energy as the energy released by splitting one billion uranium atoms … a mind-boggling number when we compare the energies of our nuclear fission reactors with this one single ethereal neutrino.”  


It leaves out a lot of information.  1 billion uranium atoms isn't much.  Sounds like a lot but there are 6,000 billion billion uranium atoms in one gram of uranium.  So, if my math is good, this neutrino had as much energy as a very large nuclear reactor would produce in 1/500 millionth of a second.


Date: Fri Feb 14 22:30:35 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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 "...30 times more active..."

"...came from outside the Milky Way galaxy..."

Maybe these are neutrinos released in conjunction with the X-ray photons of black holes' emissions...(Feynman diagram)? The black holes in question being the massive massive ancient Quasars

of our universe...


Date: Tue Apr 8 03:53:10 2025
User: TNmountainman
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CRISPR 'news', but not really of the "big, big, BIG" variety.  Actually more minorly pandering to the "Jurassic Park" crowd:

Dire wolf de-extinction: Colossal Biosciences says it has resurrected an extinct animal for the first time | CNN


Date: Thu Apr 17 05:22:13 2025
User: TNmountainman
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Hesitate to put this in a thread that has "news" in the title, but I'm gonna let this one in because the ramifications are so major - even tho the proof isn't fully wrapped up yet:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39jj9vkr34o

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8jwj90ejno



Date: Thu Apr 17 10:30:29 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

The search for life on other planets has always struck me as an odd obsession for a scientist, but I know that it is one of the most interesting to people at large. Anyway ...

Dimethyl sulfide can be produced from methanol and hydrogen sulfide in the presence of an aluminum oxide catalyst. Methanol can be produced in a variety of ways that don't involve living things. 

The first article talks about the scientists being 99.7% certain of their results, seeming to imply that they are 99.7% that simple organisms produced the dimethyl sulfide. On my first reading of the article, I blamed the writer for the sensational interpretation. But, on reading it again, it's the scientists who are pushing the idea:

"There is still a 0.3% chance that it might be a statistical fluke," Prof Madhusudhan said. Suggesting life may exist on another planet was "a big claim if true", he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme, adding: "So we want to be really, really thorough, and make more observations, and get the evidence to the level that there is less than a one-in-a-million chance of it being a fluke."

Good lord. 


Date: Thu Apr 17 14:20:40 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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Sounds a 332 in a 333 chance...(if their debatable work is at all sound...(pshaw!...

Date: Thu Apr 17 15:15:13 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

The "obsession" has always seem just a bit overblown to me, too - but I understand it.  And you are correct that it's the scientists that seem to be pushing the narrative.  And yet.............that *is*, and has been, a key "human interest" story forever - almost literally.  The "Are we alone?" question, which *may* also have religious twists/angles.  One in my own family had been following the exoplanet search, while I was only amused by it.  I mean, after all, we know they're there; we know (to about 10+ "sigmas") that there are planets "somewhere out there" in the goldilocks zone.  So seeing these giant exoplanets close to stars, with zero chance of having 'normal' life on them, was just of (almost) no interest to me.  But I guess ya gotta walk before you can run.  But now we *are* getting incrementally closer, with this amazing spectroscopy, to seeing more of these absorption signals.  And with more data to see as more targets are analyzed, more compounds to be seen (almost certainly), I do think this 'sense' (from the second article I linked) will continue to grow and find purchase.  I guess we'll see 🔭, pun intended.

It would have been 'nice' if they had 'splained the sigmas to the non-science/math crowd, standard deviations, etc. - but I guess that's a decimal too far. 😁 LOL.

Edit/addendum:  As to the scientists.............as you well know, Buzz, when one spends years or decades on a project, one can get enamored with the prospects, theories, etc.  They 'want' their efforts to yield fruit.  Hopefully they aren't letting that 'ambition' color their interpretation of their data.  Again, we'll see 🔭.


Date: Thu Apr 17 15:40:01 2025
User: firenze
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With two trillion galaxies each with billions of stars, of course we are not alone.  Simple math would indicate that even an accidental combination of atoms, elements, etc. would manage to produce several thousand civilizations.  The scary part is that most of them may be more advanced than ours by several thousand, if not millions of years.

That is why people are interested.


Date: Thu Apr 17 17:22:55 2025
User: TNmountainman
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Hard to argue with that math............BUT.....we don't *really* know the odds of each of the needed steps to get from the "chemical soup" to Bruce/Kaitlyn Jenner, or MrFixit or mrbuck, for examples.  We've got guesses; but, for now at least, they're just very educated guesses.


Date: Thu Apr 17 17:41:31 2025
User: firenzes_mother
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There is only one Mr., Buck.  Trust me.


Date: Thu Apr 17 18:54:42 2025
User: Uncle_Vito
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You still have that cute little cowgirl outfit, sis?  The one with the lasso?  mrbuck would like that.


Date: Thu Apr 17 18:55:55 2025
User: firenzes_mother
Message:

We could have our own little rodeo.


Date: Thu Apr 17 19:37:42 2025
User: joeygray
Message:

“Where is everybody?” — Enrico Fermi


Date: Thu Apr 17 23:18:33 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I don't have enough biochem knowledge to follow...


Date: Fri Apr 18 00:13:50 2025
User: TNmountainman
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The Fermi Paradox thing pops up just in my headbone over and over and over..............even moreso since the plague came to town.  SOOOO many ways for civilizations - the ones that actually get rolling well enough - to reach their end point - either from within, or from without. It's something that deeply intrigues me.


Date: Wed Jun 18 15:41:07 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

VERY VERY big news on the archeogenetics/paleoanthropology front.......  Some genetic material ('only' mitochondrial DNA, not nuclear; and some protein fragments) from Harbin man.  We've been waiting on this news for a while, and this result was somewhat expected, but truly unknown definitively.  

Ancient DNA reveals ‘Dragon Man’ fossil’s true identity | CNN

Denisovan mitochondrial DNA from dental calculus of the >146,000-year-old Harbin cranium: Cell

The proteome of the late Middle Pleistocene Harbin individual | Science

Expect more news to gradually follow, as researchers have been reevaluating old fossil samples in collections around the world, for possible Denisovan ancestry - unimagined at the time of collection.




Date: Mon Jun 23 02:32:07 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Not much (yet) big news.......but certainly news of import - with much more coming in a few hours:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rubin-observatorys-first-images-just-unveiled-the-universe-as-weve-never/


Date: Mon Jun 23 07:23:51 2025
User: BuzzClik
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With the earth being flat, we can only see out in one direction. What's on the other side? (I'm not convinced it's just turtles)


Date: Mon Jun 23 08:59:00 2025
User: firenze
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Can they produce a picture that we could put 3-D glasses on and get some sort of perspective?  I mean, a galaxy here, a meteor there, Milky Way stars?



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