Subject: "chemtrails" hoax

Date: Sat Dec 15 16:22:30 2007
User: tbirdie98TNmtn.man
Message:
I don't intend this to be a real "discussion", but just thought it too far a tangent on the "How sad it has become" thread. GottaLuvIt has posted several times about this so-called phenomenum. I admittedly don't know much about it/them, but have done some study today. Of course the reason that I, as a scientist, didn't know much about them is that they have about as much creedence as the concept that man has never been to the moon, meaning probably quite a bit less credible than the existence of bigfoot. My posting is certainly not meant to be exhaustive, and I know that probably GottaLuvIt will dismiss it like he does all the other science-backed informational stuff.

To begin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails

.....and particularly this one:

http://contrailscience.com/

The youtube link he posted within the "how sad it has become" thread (Dec 14, 16:52) has a math error (explained in detail in the second link above) in the calculations of the reporter (yet another case of the public's inability to discern anything scientific). Just because that term ("chemtrails") was included in the Space Preservation Act does NOT mean it was an existing, real thing occurring. It was included to cover possible future trespasses which could be technologically feasible.

If you want some funny conspiracy theory reading, try this:

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

....and if you want to kick up the humor factor, try clicking on one (or more) of the links on that page that refer to sylphs.

I strongly suspect that GottaLuvIt has been listening to that cancerous conservation talk radio, but I don't know that for a fact, of course. Remember, his conspiracy theories include depopulating the earth by the FDA, FTC, and the EU, as part of some new world order plan.

Diclaimers: I don't claim to be an expert in this stuff, only that I'm capable of evaluating the evidence and sources. So who knows, I could be completely wrong, and the NWO is out to kill all of us. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
Also, directly to GottaLuvIt - I don't mean this to be some sort of personal attack on you. This is an attempt to help you and your ilk out of these conspiracy notions that keep you from seeing life as it really is. No ill will towards you personally.....only an attempt to rectify your ideas and misinformations.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to my black helicopter that's waiting outside.......

Date: Sat Dec 15 18:06:07 2007
User: ix
Message:
i used to work with a kid that thought the moon landings were a hoax, my counterarguments that i used to live on the florida coast in the 60's and used to watch the big saturns lift off with my own eyes, and the capsules splash down on television (tracked with high power cameras from very high altitude) and the fact that a hoax that complicated would have been more expensive than actually putting a man on the moon did little. you'll get nowhere with the conspiracy theorists.

Date: Sat Dec 15 21:53:33 2007
User: GottaLuvIt
Message:
TNmtn,
How do you know I'm a he?

You must be one of those that believes everything the press and Government tells you, or, maybe you work for one or the other. I like to investigate and go below the surface of things because...well...News Flash...not everyone is trustworthy.


TN said about chemtrails

I admittedly don't know much about it/them, but have done some study today. Of course the reason that I, as a scientist, didn't know much about them is that they have about as much creedence as the concept that man has never been to the moon, meaning probably quite a bit less credible than the existence of bigfoot.

For someone who doesn't know much about "them", you sure have alot to say about it.
Why don't you do a little more investigating like a good little scientist should, then come back with a good hypothesis instead of jumping to conclusions by matter of opinion. And shooting it down before you have really checked it out.
I have seen it with my own eyes over my county, why isn't the Gov. telling us?

I remember in the late 80s we had the Mediterranean fruit fly problem and Gov. helicopters sprayed Malathion over our homes. Do you know how toxic that stuff is?

ix, how did that capsule re-enter the atmosphere w/out burning up. You know what great lengths the shuttle goes through to stabilize so it doesn't burn up...did they have that kind of technology then? Even a meteor burns upon entrance. Just a thought.

Date: Sat Dec 15 21:57:30 2007
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Are you actually insinuating that man has not set foot on the moon?

Date: Sat Dec 15 22:03:48 2007
User: hotnurse
Message:
Not totally sure so don't shoot me, but isn't the reason that meteors burn as they enter our atmosphere because they travel in orbit for a gazillion miles and come in at such an angle and speed compared to the trajectory of the space capsule??? Btw, I am *not* a scientist, but I do believe in the moon landings. KMc

Date: Sat Dec 15 22:14:03 2007
User: needles.to.say
Message:
My friend was in the navy on the Ticonderoga when they picked up an apollo capsule, I believe it was. I have photos that he took himself. It said "Nasa gone funky" on the side. I will look for them.

Date: Sat Dec 15 22:25:52 2007
User: TNmountainman
Message:
AS to why the shuttle doesn't burn up on re-entry, and most meteors do.........well, the speed is one thing. Meteors can encounter earth's atmosphere at really astounding velocities, compared to space capsules. Probably of greater significance is that the surface of meteors would tend to be irregular, and of a material not as heat-resistant as the tiles on the leading edge of man-made re-entry vehicles.

And GottaLuvIt, I don't (know you're a he). I almost typed "he/she", and "his/her". Sorry if I used the wrong pronoun(s).

Date: Sat Dec 15 23:25:24 2007
User: mrbuck
Message:
Actually the scientific community has been lying to us on a regular basis since the 1400's. Most of the lies can to traced back to their attempt to cover up the Big Lie told then. Since we are required to site sources and movies have been sited as a credible source, I will site "The Crimson Permanent Assurance" as my source. The movie is so full of data debunking the scientific community that it has been broken up into two parts. I shall post the link to part two since the inescapable evidence lies there.

The address for part one however is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX61PUZ3xkI

If after seeing this film you do not agree with the obvious conclusions I shall be forced to label you forever as a simpleton and a Loser. (Note the capital L)

Oh and the Big Lie that science has covered up since the 1400's?

Link: The Earth is Flat!

Date: Sat Dec 15 23:54:50 2007
User: +-Sandy-+
Message:
Reminds me of a good movie called "Capricorn One", which would have been better if OJ hadn't been in it.

Date: Sun Dec 16 00:36:58 2007
User: Snowguy
Message:
In regard to meteors burning up upon entry? Most of the ones that do are very small or even tiny, I understand. Something the size of a grain of sand can make a streak across the sky. Larger meteors don't burn up, and they strike the earth as meteorites.

Okay, I went looking for Wikipedia. It includes:

>>What are shooting stars?

>>Shooting stars are mostly grit from space colliding at very high speed with air molecules high up in the sky.

>>As Earth travels in its orbit around the sun it runs into clouds of grit generally pulverized rock that also orbits the sun. Many shooting stars are produced by grit no larger than a grain of sand. Some of the more spectacular ones are pea-sized and the really stunning (but very rare) fireballs are the size of an orange or larger. These objects collide with air molecules some 60 miles (95 kilometers) above Earth's surface and, due to their very high speed, they begin to glow white hot. We see a streak of light as they burn up. The scientific name is meteor but shooting star will do fine (just tell the kids that they are not really stars).<<

Date: Sun Dec 16 11:22:25 2007
User: GottaLuvIt
Message:
That still doesn't answer the question of... why are they spraying this stuff over my county again this morning. DON'T YOU THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW?
I will describe to you a few things I am seeing from my office window this morning.
I had the privilege of watching a contrail and a chemtrail. The contrail was flying into the sunrise, tail was short, highly reflective and bright from the sun, just behind it was another plane with a long chemtrail that almost looked black, did not reflect sun and remained.
Then two trails were laid out directly above my house side by side, I watched as these spread, they spread so much that the planes that flew into it 5 minutes later or just below it were VERY small in comparison to the cloud originally laid by the aircraft before it.
They are spraying very heavy today again and something is definitely going on, this is not a hoax. Have any of you seen these over your areas? Why are people like TNm in denial?

It could be some radar shield for aircraft that they are testing for defense, or it could be a "test" on us humans (useless eaters). We are the cause of global warming. Now if it was something to help climate control and global warming, don't you think they would shout it from the rooftops?

Did anyone read the article on the latest talks in Bali? It was all about global warming and target emissions.
It is long, but worth it.

NUSA DUA, Indonesia � The world�s faltering effort to cut greenhouse gas emissions got a new lease on life on Saturday, as delegates from 187 countries agreed to negotiate a new accord over the next two years � pushing the crucial debates about United States participation into the administration of a new American president.

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Yvo de Boer, left, and Rachmat Witoelar, leaders of the climate change conference in Bali, Indonesia, shook hands Saturday.
Many officials and environmental campaigners said American negotiators had remained obstructionist until the final hour of the two-week convention and had changed their stance only after public rebukes that included boos and hisses from other delegates.

The resulting �Bali Action Plan� contains no binding commitments, which European countries had sought and the United States fended off. The plan concludes that �deep cuts in global emissions will be required� and provides a timetable for two years of talks to shape the first formal addendum to the 1992 Framework Convention on Climate Change treaty since the Kyoto Protocol 10 years ago.

�The next presidential election takes place at the halfway point in these treaty talks,� David D. Doniger, who directs climate policy for the Natural Resources Defense Council and served in the Clinton administration, said on his Web log on Saturday. �So the U.S. will field a new team in the second half. And there are good odds that the next president will get serious on global warming.�

But the White House, while calling the negotiating plan �quite positive� in a printed statement, said the problem lay elsewhere. It described �serious concerns� about the limited steps taken by emerging economic powers.

Without citing China and India by name, it clearly singled them out, saying: �The negotiations must proceed on the view that the problem of climate change cannot be adequately addressed through commitments for emissions cuts by developed countries alone. Major developing economies must likewise act.�

In the talks, China and other emerging powers did inch forward, agreeing for the first time to seek ways to make �measurable, reportable and verifiable� emissions cuts. But those countries showed no signs of agreeing to any mandatory restrictions any time soon, saying their priority remained growing out of poverty.

The finish to the negotiations came after a last-minute standoff in the public plenary at the end of a day of high emotions, with the co-organizer of the conference, Yvo de Boer, fleeing the podium at one point as he held back tears.

The standoff started when developing countries demanded that the United States agree that the eventual pact measure not only poorer countries� steps, but also the effectiveness of financial and technological assistance from wealthier ones.

The United States capitulated in that open session, which many observers and delegates said included more public acrimony than any of the treaty conferences since the 1992 framework.

The concession, though, came after a more profound shift by the Bush administration, which agreed during the two-week conference to pursue a new pact fulfilling the unmet goals of the original treaty; the pact would take effect in 2012 when the Kyoto Protocol expires.

While many observers described the United States change as a U-turn, it was the culmination of months of movement by the Bush administration, which had for years insisted that the 1992 treaty was enough to avoid dangerous human interference with the climate.

In 2005 talks in Montreal, for example, the American negotiating team walked out of one session, rejecting any talk of formal negotiations to improve on that pact.

Since then, the Bush administration has been confronted by new scientific data on climate change and by growing political pressure both internationally and domestically.

Still, while accepting on Saturday the need for a new agreement, the United States retained the flexibility that it had sought at the outset, fending off European attempts to set binding commitments on emission reductions. American negotiators said that was vital to gain global consensus.

The targets sought by Europe and others remain in the action plan � including the need for rich countries to cut emissions by 2020 up to 40 percent below 1990 levels, and a 50 percent cut in emissions globally by 2050. But they are now a footnote to the nonbinding preamble, not a main feature of the plan.

Andrew Light, an expert on environmental ethics at the University of Washington who was in Bali, criticized the Bush administration for insisting on those targets being sidelined, saying the United States had, in essence, rejected the foreboding climate projections of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which it had repeatedly praised in recent weeks.

�We could have moved on from here with a confident range of future cuts,� Mr. Light said. �Instead we have to move on with the same continued uncertainty. At the beginning of the week I was really heartened by the public praise the U.S. delegation was giving to the I.P.C.C. and now I can�t help but think, was it all lip service?�

Some environmental groups criticized Europe for not sticking to its guns. But it appeared that, in the end, the Europeans followed a path recommended in a speech last Monday by former Vice President Al Gore, fresh from receiving the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo.

He advised Bali negotiators to look beyond the Bush administration, whose tenure ends in one year.

Beyond the histrionics and the politics, there were deeper reasons for the continuing clashes: in particular, the huge wave of industrialization and economic growth sweeping Asia.

The United States and Europe were largely responsible for taking the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas emitted by the burning of fossil fuels, to its current concentration of 380 parts per million from 280, a level which, until the industrial revolution, was not exceeded in at least 650,000 years.

But the growth in emissions for decades to come will largely be driven by developing countries, where some two billion people still cook on firewood or dung and crave the comforts and prosperity that come with abundant energy.

According to a recent analysis led by economists at the Electric Power Research Institute, if rich and poor countries do not together divert from �business as usual,� the concentration by 2040 could exceed 450 parts per million, a threshold that many scientists say could set in motion harmful changes for centuries to come.

Europe prevailed over the United States in one area, insisting that the next two years of talks proceed on two tracks: one for those countries, including the United States, not committing to mandatory limits, and a second building on the Kyoto Procotol, the 1997 update to the original treaty that requires emissions reductions in 36 major industrialized nations, but has been rejected by the United States.

The United States team in Bali had fought against that, demanding that a new agreement encompass the world�s major polluters and have sufficient flexibility, and no hard targets, to do that.

But in the end the United States had to agree to two tracks to avoid a total breakdown of the talks.

That is important, environmental campaigners said, because it guarantees work toward new mandatory gas restrictions in 2012, when the limits under the current Kyoto accord expire.

It also sustains a mechanism that, in theory, the United States could join under a new administration � if Congress becomes less insistent that the biggest developing countries move in lockstep.

That demand is reflected in some language in the current climate bill moving forward in the Senate, which demands �comparable� action from such countries.

There were many moments of drama and theater in the negotiations, at a resort complex on the southern tip of Bali, involving 11,000 officials, environmentalists, industry lobbyists and journalists. But nothing else matched the point on Saturday, in the final tumultuous plenary, when the American team was booed for trying to block a proposal by India.

Kevin Conrad, the negotiator from Papua New Guinea, rebuked the American delegation. �If for some reason you are not willing to lead, leave it to the rest of us,� he said. �Please, get out of the way.�

He was alluding to remarks made by an American official, James Connaughton, chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, last week to a Reuters reporter, who quoted him as saying, �The U.S. will lead, and we will continue to lead, but leadership also requires others to fall in line and follow.�

That statement had become a sore point to many delegations.

A few more statements were made, but none of America�s traditional allies came to its defense.

Finally, Paula Dobriansky, the lead American negotiator, spoke.

�We came here to Bali because we want to go forward as part of a new framework,� said Ms. Dobriansky, the under secretary of state for democracy and global affairs. �We believe we have a shared vision and we want to move that forward. We want a success here in Bali. We will go forward and join consensus.�

The delegates erupted in lengthy applause, realizing that a deal was finally at hand.

Thomas Fuller reported from Nusa Dua, and Andrew C. Revkin from New York. Peter Gelling contributed reporting from Nusa Dua.


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Date: Sun Dec 16 12:47:13 2007
User: tbirdie98TNmtn.man
Message:
GLI: "That still doesn't answer the question of... why are they spraying this stuff over my county again this morning. "

Again, you're just simply refusing to listen to and believe those who know best. My original post beginning this thread had links to wikipedia, within which were numerous legitimate direct sources of information about this "hoax", and the link to contrailscience.com. If you choose to disbelieve those who best know this, then that's your right, but don't say that the 'question' wasn't answered - it was.

GLI: "Why don't you do a little more investigating like a good little scientist should, then come back with a good hypothesis instead of jumping to conclusions by matter of opinion. And shooting it down before you have really checked it out."

I did spend a couple (or three) of hours of research on this, because I was mostly unfamiliar with this particular conspiracy theory. As a "good little scientist", I am expected to be able to, and am capable of, assimilating lots of information and data in a mostly cohesive manner, in a reasonably short time frame. I'm far from an expert in this "field" (as if.....), but that's somewhat because there truly is no problem ("field") here to learn about.
So........I'm trying to be helpful here, GottaLuvIt. Get your ear away from talk radio, and listen to some NPR, or some nice rock-steady reggae out in Sandy's woods. Then, enjoy the pretty shapes these contrails make, preferably whilst munching on some chocolate cookies......

.....But thanks for posting the article on Bali. I had read some other accounts of it last night, but this one is quite well written. Although others will disagree, I think this one, like Gore's speech, was important enough to put up the whole thing, rather than just a link. (But it should probably have been on that other thread about global warming.)

Date: Sun Dec 16 14:57:07 2007
User: GottaLuvIt
Message:
I checked out your "contrail theory" and thoughts on observer bias from the link.
Their is a difference between contrails and chemtrails.
The contrails are a con for sure.

Link: Very good video footage of chemtrails taking place

Date: Sun Dec 16 14:57:07 2007
User: GottaLuvIt
Message:
I checked out your "contrail theory" and thoughts on observer bias from the link.
Their is a difference between contrails and chemtrails.
The contrails are a con for sure.

Link: Very good video footage of chemtrails taking place

Date: Sun Dec 16 15:35:41 2007
User: tbirdie98TNmtn.man
Message:
Gosh, I'm so shocked to learn that there was actually a plane at the head of that CONtrail.

Good grief. ix of course was right; I just didn't know *how* right.

Sorry I bothered the rest of you with this.....I was just trying to help someone out.

Date: Sun Dec 16 15:51:29 2007
User: birdhaus
Message:
isn't there a plane at the head of all Contrails? I've seen them all my life, I don't need to see 8 more minutes of them.... I'm well over 40 years old. Am I going to die in 50 or 60 years?

Date: Sun Dec 16 16:56:57 2007
User: birdhaus
Message:
TNMountainman: Don't despair, I think a lot of us had our eyes opened due to your efforts and this little exchange was just reinforcing some of our suspicions. You're a really thoughtful and kind little scientist in my book.

Date: Sun Dec 16 18:08:06 2007
User: julia
Message:
Nobody is spraying chemicals into the air, unless it's to kill mosquitos. I've spent some time looking at your references gotta, but I'm just not buying it. If Sylphs want to help us clean up the environment, I'm all for them. I'll send them positive vibes. But I keep thinking somebody needs to take their lithium pill.

Date: Sun Dec 16 23:59:03 2007
User: GottaLuvIt
Message:
julia,
What are they spraying then?


P.S. You shouldn't take lithium.

Date: Mon Dec 17 00:19:56 2007
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Julia, if I may answer for you, at least until you get to it......

GLI, the combustion of hydrocarbons (jet fuel) with air (oxygen) produces two compounds, for the most part: the carbon part(s) form carbon dioxide, and the hydrogen part(s) form water. Yes, there are trace amounts of carbon monoxide, and trace amounts of other gases such as nitrogen oxides, etc. -- more-or-less the same combustion products that come out of your car's exhaust pipe.

There *is* no "spraying"...........

[and birdhaus, the comment about the plane at the head of the CONtrail was a sarcastic comment directed at the guy who did the 8-minute video, acting as if he was informing us that there was, indeed, a plane up there. At one point he declares "it's white, with no markings..." (Even though it's probably 20,000+_ft. up, he can tell there's no markings. pretty funny.)]

I sure am excited to learn about the sylphs, though.......

Date: Mon Dec 17 00:21:59 2007
User: ix
Message:
the use of our minds with focused intent?

.e kind of wishes depopulation WAS real

Link: http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

Date: Mon Dec 17 00:37:20 2007
User: TNmountainman
Message:
ix, do you know where one could pick up a good orgone generator?

"The combination of organic material (cured fiberglass resin-a hydrocarbon compound) and metal chips provides a matrix which has the capacity to attract and capture orgone energy as Wilhelm Reich's research demonstrated in the 1930's/40's and discussed in Reich's book, The Cancer Biopathy. Adding a crystal intensifies that process and allows you the opportunity to 'program' the crystal with your mind (and intentions) to direct that energy towards a specific task or goal. A developer of Radionic devices found that combining fiberglass resin with metal particles produced the orgone attractive-repulsive effect described by Wilhelm Reich and he dubbed this mixture "orgonite". I prefer to use the term "metal/resin matrix" to define the material more concisely. Carol Croft noticed that the human aura expanded when in close proximity to the metal/resin matrix and this led to the idea of adding this matrix to a Hulda Clark type zapper circuit which was termed the Terminator. I found that replacing the copper penny electrodes in the original Terminator with pure silver discs would produce much less irritation and reddening of the skin. I called my spin-off variation, The Silver Terminator."

This is some rich stuff here......

Link: http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

Date: Mon Dec 17 16:16:03 2007
User: GottaLuvIt
Message:
TNm said:

Date: Dec 14 15:38
User: TNmountainman
Message:
The reason I stand up and declare how bad things have become is precisely because I LOVE America! If I didn't care, then I could just watch our liberties and reputation go down the toilet and not worry about it.

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."

~Edward Abbey

I think this is the smartest thing I have read of yours so far.
And yes Christian liberties are being flushed down the toilet and so our reputation.

Date: Mon Dec 17 17:12:24 2007
User: TNmountainman
Message:
What Christian liberties are being flushed down the toilet?

Date: Mon Dec 17 23:40:36 2007
User: julia
Message:
Thank you Tn, you responded for me exactly right.

And, I bet ix is alredy putting up orgasmatrons on all the cell towers he visits. Oh wait, that wasn't the name of it. Orgone generator, that's what I meant.

:p

Date: Tue Dec 18 00:45:26 2007
User: HappyHappyHappyPig
Message:
We confess. We pigs are behind the chemtrails plot.

Date: Tue Dec 18 09:55:36 2007
User: AlGore
Message:
My carbon credits company has a deal that will blow your socks off. With the purchase of every one-year supply of carbon credits, we will offer you 10 pills that will protect you against chemtrails. And these pills will only cost you an extra 25 percent, which is about 60 percent off their normal price. Wow! Everyone be sure to rush out and take advantage of this tremendous offer. Buy your carbon credits from me. Mine are the best.

Date: Tue Dec 18 11:52:29 2007
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Hey Al, we're still on for lunch Friday with you and Tipper, right?

Date: Tue Dec 18 12:02:51 2007
User: +-Sandy-+
Message:
>>>>you 10 pills that will protect you against chemtrails. And these pills will only cost you an extra 25 percent, which is about 60 percent off their normal price.....<<<

All this math is giving me a headache!

Date: Thu Dec 20 09:30:07 2007
User: Snowguy
Message:
Okay, we have danced around this burning contrails/chemtrails issue long enough. It's time for the truth to be revealed.

Warning: You might find the linked information disturbing.

Link: The truth is finally revealed

Date: Thu Dec 20 09:59:32 2007
User: AlGore
Message:
Shhhhhhh, Snowy. Don't tell Sean Hannity.

Date: Mon Sep 23 12:32:51 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
The plot thickens (or at least becomes more colorful)..................................................



Link: pretty amazing photography

Date: Mon Sep 23 23:03:45 2019
User: hotnurse
Message:
I'm thinking photo enhancement of some sort.

Date: Tue Sep 24 00:01:02 2019
User: rbw@!
Message:
The problem is, that after being lied to repeatedly, some people will believe more and more ridiculous "conspiracy theories"

Date: Tue Sep 24 00:04:41 2019
User: rbw@!
Message:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/travel/2019/09/13/airplane-rainbow-trail-contrail-travel-orig-ch.cnn

Presented by CNN- the Ministry of Truth.

Date: Tue Sep 24 19:00:53 2019
User: berries
Message:
Check out geoengineeringwatch.org. All I'm sayin'...

Date: Tue Sep 24 20:25:46 2019
User: BuzzClik
Message:
A picture of clouds....

All I'm sayin' is "gullible."

Date: Tue Sep 24 23:23:07 2019
User: TNmountainman
Message:
And has been caught on many occasions doctoring/photoshopping pics.

Date: Fri May 7 16:13:01 2021
User: TNmountainman
Message:
When 'normal' chemtrails (and the fake virus) aren't *quite* killing folks fast enough..............

Link: The barium vapor clouds emitted from the rocket’s payload...

Date: Sat Nov 19 16:29:20 2022
User: outskirts
Message:
This is a screen shot of my phone that i took the picture myself from my back door. Just saying,

Date: Sat Nov 19 18:25:29 2022
User: rbw--3
Message:
That's not chemtrails in the picture. That's actually seeding the next Florida hurricane.

Date: Sat Nov 19 20:27:05 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:
Water vapor is certainly a chemical. Other tracings are more puzzling.

Date: Sat Nov 19 21:51:11 2022
User: olblue
Message:

Let the fun begin!

Link: https://www.freecell.net/f/c/onepic.html?code=6115

Date: Sun Nov 20 10:57:39 2022
User: MrFixit
Message:
Ha! You guys remember me posting this link years ago?

Link: Educate Yourself

Date: Sun Nov 20 11:19:41 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:
I don't recall seeing it. But, I'm not much of a fan of unhinged conspiracy theories, so I might have peeked at it and then purged it from my brain.

Date: Sun Nov 20 12:46:48 2022
User: TNmountainman
Message:
Well, I certainly remember it. And......................I'm **STILL** waiting on my orgone generator to arrive!!!! I know they're backordered because of the high demand, but still............come on! That was 2007! How long do backorders take in these days of supply-chain problems?!? I thought ix was going to help me out, but noooo.....

Date: Sun Nov 20 12:54:41 2022
User: BuzzClik
Message:
I guess we’re going to need to take sides in the upcoming struggle: “The sylphs of Earth have battled the black magicians for millennia.”

Not sure who to pull for at this point.

Date: Sun Dec 25 15:27:24 2022
User: outskirts
Message:
They're at it on Christmas Day, polluting my sky!!!

Date: Wed Dec 28 11:43:21 2022
User: outskirts
Message:
The very next day - same place, same thing!!!

Date: Tue Jan 24 17:35:47 2023
User: outskirts
Message:
It's not a hoax! I'm convinced they are out to get me! This was today, just look at the one that narrowly missed me as I was driving. Luckily I was able to detour but had to get pics in case I didn't make it.