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Date: Thu Nov 28 10:03:37 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Steelers at Browns. Nov. 21. 


Date: Thu Nov 28 14:21:25 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

"...we’re gonna take the North and never give it back."--Matt Eberflus, Bear Head Coach


Date: Thu Nov 28 14:53:00 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Yeah. Well. Not exactly Sherman through Georgia. 


Date: Thu Nov 28 18:49:31 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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I'm not sure who the intended receiver was on the game's last play, bit I think it was he who was out of position (not Williams' hurled pigskin).


Date: Mon Dec 2 13:35:41 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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I have to tailgate a Bills game, it looks wild.


Date: Mon Dec 2 19:06:46 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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Maybe to see Denver beat Kansas City in the playoffs?


Date: Tue Dec 3 09:40:48 2024
User: BuzzClik
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It's hard to imagine KC having success in the playoffs this year. To their credit, they are winning despite a ton of injuries, but by the thinnest margins. If they solidify on offense, they will be a force. The teams to watch in the AFC are KC, Buffalo, and Baltimore on a good day. Lions and Eagle in the NFC. 


Date: Thu Dec 12 13:22:48 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

So like, is Joe Burrow Macaulay Culkin's son or nephew? Since I've heard...and it looks...


Date: Thu Dec 12 13:38:07 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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I mean, c'mon, it wasn't a *real* home invasion Burrow recently experienced, it was just his derelict dad busting in looking around for something to take away those annoying shakes...


Date: Fri Dec 13 22:23:31 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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Good luck to Randy Moss, he's battling a tough adversary.


Date: Sun Dec 15 18:19:41 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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It's nice to see Opie back on his feet, healthy-looking...surprising he's now pursuing career as NFL head coach, he had solidly successful directing cred in Hollywoodland (even if Brew's never considered his stuff worth price of admission).


Date: Sun Dec 15 18:52:55 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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I just heard one of the worst worst worst sports comparisons imaginable, made by Romo: some blown 40-yard catch by a DET WR, and WILLIE'S POLO GROUNDS' CATCH THE CATCH...UGH! Sacrilege...


Date: Sun Dec 15 19:57:14 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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I think there was a Lion at the bottom of that pile trying to bite the privates of Bills' ball recovery dude.


Date: Tue Dec 17 01:29:01 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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"This dude is a fraud, right, he's been a fraud. And he can throw a football and that's where it stops," Ryan Clark said of Aaron Rodgers.


Date: Tue Dec 17 11:09:16 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:

A little context for the above comments: Rodgers is a (paid) fixture on the Pat McAfee show (radio, cable,  and streamed podcast on ESPN) and has used that medium to pressure coaches and ownership, suggest his unhappiness with players and teams, announce his availability/unavailability due to injury, talk of his seclusion in a totally black room for days to him make a decision on his future, his opposition to vacciniations, etc etc. This was pretty much a happy thing for McAffee, Rodgers, and listeners until the Jets still sucked after Rodgers return from injury this season. Now, the media and fanbase are getting weary of him, and some have dared to criticize his performance. 

Well, Aaron likes praise for his successes and attention for his weirdness, but he really doesn't like criticism. So, Aaron lashed out at the critics saying that may of the talking heads (ESPN and others) got their media gigs for being good athletes, but "no one remembers anything they did as players", and he suggested that these critics have no credibility or perspective to dare criticize him. 

Most in the media are accustomed to the big egos in the pros lashing out at them when they tell the truth, but Ryan Clark took great exception. Clark has risen through the ranks from occasional analyst to his current status as a fixture on Get Up and Monday Night Football. He used the opportunity on Get Up to respond the Rodgers: he acknowledged Rodgers record as one of the best ever, but he pointed out the blatant hypocrisy of Rodgers being a fading star being paid quite well as a media consultant to criticize others. 

Now that the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets have been elminated from playoff contention, Aaron will have a lot more time for his musings. 


Date: Tue Dec 17 16:51:33 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

He'd not be so roundly laughed at if he'd at times been moderately humble. Pride before the fall (or something like that).


Date: Tue Dec 17 20:16:30 2024
User: BuzzClik
Message:

And just so the world knows what he is made of, Rodgers followed up on McAfee’s show: 

Aaron Rodgers on Ryan Clark rant: 'You're captured, you're highly vaccinated'

https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-rodgers-ryan-clark-rant-225717456.html

Date: Sun Jan 5 11:09:44 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Maybe the Vikings will meet the Bills for SBLIX...both can't possibly lose their franchise's fifth Super Bowl (paired of course with each other's ZERO SB victories)...anybody who laughs at NFL futility loves these guys, good joke fodder...


Date: Sat Jan 11 11:18:21 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I'll flip my gourd if either Texans or Steelers wins today.


Date: Sat Jan 11 19:01:03 2025
User: TNmountainman
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Joke fodder?  I get your point........but the majority of NFL teams would *love* to have gotten to the Super Bowl that many times. 

And weirdly............I've seen one of those entertaining(?) Progressive commercials where the guy looks *a lot* like Tarkenton, wears his #10 uni, and the team's unis look a lot like those of the Vikings from that era.  Anybody else notice that?  NOT an accident, I'm guessing.


Date: Sun Jan 12 10:30:07 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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I recall a Minnesota friend's strife over his team's futility (particularly that 41-0 loss to NYG in that Championship game...

Date: Sun Jan 12 10:32:53 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

...here...


Date: Sun Jan 12 12:36:22 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Brewski's gourd is definitely flipped. Although the Ravens predictably and easily dispatched the overmatched Steelers, the Texans found their 2023 mojo and ripped the Chargers. 

Mr. OldSchool may find his gourd righted if the Packers can beat the Eagles in Philly today; the Eagles are 5.5 point favorites. 


Date: Sun Jan 12 15:39:51 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Rookie LB Cooper needs to tackle RB Barkley nine times or greater, holding him ~90 yards, while RB Jacobs goes off for 140, two TDs...


...WR Reed getting in the open field apace...



...but I honestly don't foresee victory here for GB...maybe expectations can be set up to be pleasantly surpassed, though.


BAL at BUF will be EPIC.


Date: Sun Jan 12 22:02:53 2025
User: redberet
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On the other side of the gourd, a better name for the Commanders would've been the Hogs.


Date: Sun Jan 26 21:25:42 2025
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:

Watching Buffalo vs. KC.


interestingly, the NYT published an article showing how KC has had significantly fewer penalties against them than their opponents over the last four years in the playoffs.  And, I just watched Buffalo attempt a 4th and 1 where it looked like the ball crossed the first down line but, of course, on review, the call went to KC.


Date: Sun Jan 26 22:40:02 2025
User: BuzzClik
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The Tom Brady version of the Patriots were constantly being criticized as having the refs in their pockets and/or cheating. It comes with the territory of having a successful team. 

Date: Wed Jan 29 01:09:49 2025
User: Dr.Bombay
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Yeah, but the numbers tell a different story because KC has won the penalty/close calls advantage in every single playoff game since Brady retired.  All of them.  The sequence I watched was crucial to KC winning and it followed bad refereeing on both the 3rd down play and the 4th down play.  Not that I care that much, but on other discussion boards more oriented towards sports, seems like 4/5 tend to agree.  Of course, Mahomes and Taylor Swift will bring more eyeballs to the SB.


Date: Wed Jan 29 10:37:47 2025
User: BuzzClik
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I didn't realize there was an official stat for close calls and controversial penalties. It's a new world. 

As for the internet leanings that "the fix is in", it's probably closer to 100%. I find it hilarious that Mahomes gets to live rent-free inside so many brains for all these years. 

If you want to find someone who is REALLY obsessed, just google "Chiefs Refs Napoleon Dynamite". These are funny because there are so many people like him.  


Date: Wed Jan 29 11:05:57 2025
User: TNmountainman
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Question out of admitted ignorance (since I mostly quit watching the NFL):  A while back, I alluded to thinking my eyes had seen an unusual line-up of the kicking team on a kick-off as I was scrolling thru channels.  It appeared that the 10 non-kicking players were lined up well downfield of the kicker.  Was quite puzzling.  So..........this past weekend, I *did* watch a lot of the Buffalo-KC game, and sure enough, that appears to be a thing now.  So.........did that just start this year?  Surely so.  And what's the thesis/rationale behind that?  And.......yes, I'm sure I could find this out by researching elsewhere, but partially out of laziness, and partially out of getting to learn your all's takes on it...........what's the deal??

Date: Wed Jan 29 11:28:02 2025
User: firenze
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I never understood why there was a need for a two-minute warning.  There are game clocks everywhere, sideline coaches all over the place.  Why do they need to be warned?  I mean, the owner, or even Swift could call the head coach from the suite and say, "you've got two-minutes left, chop chop."  Make them feel useful.


Date: Wed Jan 29 11:46:06 2025
User: BuzzClik
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TN -- The new kickoff was taken from one of the upstart pro leagues. The idea is to encourage kickoff returns while minimizing the speed of the players when the first collisions happen. The kicking team lines up closer to the end zone and cannot start running until the ball is in play. 

Onside kick attempts must now be announced, and the teams line up in the traditional fashion.

There are other twists, too -- the landing zone is one. Here's the details:  New NFL kickoff rules


Date: Wed Jan 29 12:25:26 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

WOW - that's some radical stuff!  Moreso than I would have guessed.  So.........how has all that been received (pun obviously intended)?  Seems like there are likely gonna be more pooch kicks - or maybe *mostly* that.  And seems like the kicking team would be incentivized to try and kick the ball very high to attempt to recover it.  I'm blown away by how radical all that seems reading about it.  Announcing an on-side kick?  Heretical.

Do most consider all this to be a success - or not??

Thanks much for the info!  To my credit, I had theorized reducing that hi-speed collisions might have been part of the reasoning - which is a good thing. 


Date: Wed Jan 29 12:35:03 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Just judging by what I've seen (not consulting any stats):

-- Some teams still blast the ball out of the back of the endzone or kick to the side of the endzone to have it bounce out

-- Some teams kick the ball to hit or be fielded in the "landing zone" to force the return

The closest thing to a pooch kick is landing it in between the goal line and the 20. 

I'm not sure it's accomplished much. The violent injuries might be down, and, as you said, that would be a good thing. 

Yeah, announcing an onside kick eliminates any possibility of a surprise. 


Date: Wed Jan 29 12:54:18 2025
User: TNmountainman
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Seems like blasting it out of the end zone, setting up the receiving team at the 35 just seems like a bad strategy.  And.............also seems like this new world really minimizes the chances for a long kick return - one of the most exciting plays in the game.  True?


Date: Wed Jan 29 14:02:08 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

The NFL apparently has some stats saying they got the intended. Here's a link. Hopefully, the data can be found out there somewhere. 

NFL: New kickoff working as intended


Date: Sun Feb 9 19:15:34 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

To make American football *less* like rugby (tush push), why not *disallow* offensive players' contacting one another prior to snapping the ball? Except of course, QB touching C's azz...(opinion, firenze's mom?)...


Date: Sun Feb 9 19:28:19 2025
User: firenzes_mother
Message:

I wouldn't mind snapping Josh Allen's balls.


Date: Sun Feb 9 20:11:25 2025
User: redberet
Message:

That's offside and holding. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.


Date: Sun Feb 9 21:04:49 2025
User: firenze
Message:

She knows no shame.  Please, don't anyone use the term "endzone".


Date: Sat Apr 26 10:14:49 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

The boycotting of Shedeur Sanders in this year's NFL draft is seemingly unprecedented for a player who is ranked this high. Drug use, questionable behavior, criminal behavior, and known head cases have caused players to drop, but not this far. None of the insiders have an explanation at this time, and league-wide collusion seems unlikely. If you were the Saints or the Raiders, in desperate need of a quarterback, would you pass on a known commodity for any reason?

We'll know someday, but any opinions out there at the moment are baseless. I'd like to see a quote from a GM. 

================

In trying to create a bit of perspective, one of the talking heads insisted, "Dak Prescott was a fourth round pick of the Cowboys, and that's working out pretty well." Is it? He's heading into his ninth season having played a total of 5 playoff games and has won 2. 


Date: Sat Apr 26 11:36:11 2025
User: firenze
Message:

Sanders tends to play his own game.  Teams would rather mold one player with the other ten than mold ten players with the one.

As Spock said: 

  • “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

Date: Sat Apr 26 11:51:53 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Spock went undrafted, so he isn't much of a source. 

As for the playing his own game, I'm not sure I agree. But, I am not a GM or a scout. Spock could do his Vulcan mind meld on the Cleveland front office and tell us why the Browns skipped on Shedeur.  


Date: Sat Apr 26 12:25:27 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

(by the way, Will Howard of NCAA champs Ohio State and Quin Ewers also remain unclaimed. Not the same level of talent as Sanders or Cam Ward, but still curious considering the QBs that have been picked)


Date: Sat Apr 26 13:39:51 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Ah. I believe we have the answer. 

Shedeur Sanders does not have a traditional agent. Negotiations are going through Deion. 


Date: Sat Apr 26 14:37:47 2025
User: firenze
Message:

The Browns will need a truckload of Tylenol.


Date: Sat Apr 26 14:42:16 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Maybe some supplemental insurance? And a duck?

Cleveland is where quarterbacks go to be ruined. 


Date: Thu Jun 5 17:53:33 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Aaron Rodgers plans to sign with the Steelers. The chances of this turning out well are near zero.

My deepest sympathies to Snowguy and all other Steelers fans. You deserve better. 


Date: Thu Jun 5 18:01:03 2025
User: firenze
Message:

It's a two-way deal.  The Steelers plan to sign Aaron Rodgers.  I wouldn't be upset with Aaron if I were a fan.  I would be upset with management for opting for publicity instead of talent.


Date: Fri Jun 6 07:31:31 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Agreed! Rodgers is a really strange guy and disruptive to teams, but the Steelers know this. 

Tomlin has been an amazing coach, but his teams over the past few years have been forgettable, and a lot of that centers on poor choices in quarterbacks.



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