Subject: I am concerned about the food I eat.
User: firenze
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lip-smackin', finger-lickin' good. Seriously, GoodOlMike, is there some source, somewhere that will give me the real story on the nutritional values of process, unprocessed, genetically altered and regurgitated food, in case I become bulimic (sp).
User: GoodOlMike
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I don't know. If I like it, I eat it. No guilt needed.
User: TNmountainman
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I think he's just funnin', nug....
Clearly, the answer, if he is indeed concerned, is to just stop eating and just drink more.....
User: malr
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firenze- if I were you, I'd put 'farmer's market' into a search engine alongside your postcode/ zip code- then go along there and talk to real people. Sometimes you can go where they work and see what they do - there's really no substitute for looking at the ground your food comes out of, imho.
Helen
User: firenze
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Helen, I agree. I was raised on homegrown vegetables. There was nothing better on a hot summer day than walking in to the garden,plucking a red ripe tomato off the vine, removing the dirt by rubbing it on your t-shirt and biting into it like an apple. So juicy and succulent, and the flavor - warm, tangy and sweet. It is only a precious memory compared to store bought.
User: hotnurse
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Lol, what memories firenze, about eating the tomatoes off the vine. I loved doing this too until once I chomped into one, realized that I had eaten *part* of a worm. Now I look first, then chomp. We used to do this to when we picked watermelons from the field. Nuttin' better than cracking open a warm melon in the field and scooping out just the heart to eat. Yummy!!!:) KMC
User: Ponychick
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omg and I earlier I was going to write this:
"nobody loves me, every body hates me, I think I'll eat some worms"
well, maybe no one else gets the connection but it was funny to me at the time.
Hey, I just realized, I need to drink more beer too cuz horses eat grains n stuff and well, beer is just a liquid form of what we already eat!! :)
no concern there!
User: xeena
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I still remember when I was about 7, sitting in an apple tree in our back yard. I reached out for a nice apple to eat right in the tree. Turned out the other side of the apple was rotted, and contained a bee! which stung me on my finger.
Also, picking wild raspberries to make pies! mmmmmmmmm
User: Sarah_Palin
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xeena, you just reminded me of the hedgerow of wild blackberries bordering the corn field, it had to be a couple of hundred yards long. Picking those berries took forever, but getting them home and pouring sweet cream over them. Well worth it. I think I just had a coronary occlusion thinking about it.
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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Now enjoy shrimp cocktail, NY Strip entrée...ice cream cake...
User: outskirts
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There was a raspberry u-pick I think just over the Maine border into NB, probably @ the road through Vanceboro (my granddad's customs station), that had the biggest berries and most luscious and plentiful vines GOOD TIMES and the greatest raspberries. Might still be there.
User: joeygray
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TN: and you don’t think that the threads revived in utter irrelevancy outnumber the ones that have relevance by 10 to 1? I do.
User: TNmountainman
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No. I'd say in the ballpark of 50/50. But those stats are skewed by a certain poster's (not being me) recently-enhanced proclivity to do this. This thread being an excellent example. Before, say, 2026 commenced, I'd adjudge it to be ~3:7 irrelevant:relevant. May even be ~6:4 irrelevant:relevant the last few months. But there's *lots* of leeway there, I'd posit. And I believe you'd consider me guilty of engaging in this from time-to-time. IF one were to take out my choices, instead of 3:7 it might be 2:8 or so - but then we'd disagree on where that line is.
I would profer that the old threads outskirts resurrects as very often being examples of excellent choices. They tend to be relevant, and/or pertinent to current events, *with* a good eye for contrast to the past. [And outskirts, this is in no way "bothering" you. It's a compliment. Accept it. I would even go so far as to say there's an "art" to that.] You may disagree, joey, so clearly I have a wider berth for tolerance. That said........I'm not really sure what the negative consequences are when 'anybody' does that. A tad bit of extra scrolling? Maybe some wading thru irrelevancy? OK. But I'm arguing inclusion trumps exclusion, by overall weight. Buzz's resurrection would outweigh 20-30-50 extraneous resurrections, at least by my cifering.
User: joeygray
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We’ll never agree on this. I can tell because you touted Buzz’s vampiring of the birdhous thread as a GOOD example, whereas I would have said that birdhaus (who herself is a poster not seen in a least a decade) lamenting the death of someone nearly 20 years ago was only barely relevant to a documentary of that person. I guess barely relevant is good enough for you but I just don’t see the point. That sort of inclusion doesn’t trump squat in my book.
User: TNmountainman
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OK. Once again, agree to disagree. I hope you know I respect your opinions, however. And yes, I believe Buzz's resurrection was a very positive example - because of the documentary he had just watched, and was recommending. Without that background, the recommendation would have had been FAR less meaningful.
User: joeygray
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Yep. Disagree. I imagine Buzz’s nice post at the start of a new thread, and cannot see how it would be ‘FAR less meaningful’. The only thing tacking it onto that ancient thread added was ‘somebody else mentioned her here a long time ago’. Agree, that’s not nothing. But it’s not much.
User: TNmountainman
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As a thought experiment (which I believe you know well)........imagine Buzz's post in total isolation. Imagine it starting a thread. I dare say a great many here don't know who Molly Ivins was - especially non-U.S. ones. Heck - maybe a majority. And I dare say there are even a few who don't know who Maya Angelou was. Would bet on it, actually. So ........how many would sign up for Buzz's recommendation without knowing those two, and their impacts? It would just seem a bit.........sterile(?).
User: outskirts
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Back when this thread originated, I could not eat a raw tomato. Since then I have grown my own and off the vine is awesomely fantastic. My first tomatoes I used seeds out of store bought romas. Fabulous maters.
User: outskirts
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I very recently fell in love with cabbage. I'll be cooking and freezing a bunch of it today.
User: outskirts
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I also enjoyed seeing nug's post from back then
Date: Wed Nov 12 16:17:14 2008
User: nug
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no shit?
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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The steak was somewhat below average.
And, concerning raspberries: MY VERY FAVORITE of all the edible simple carbohydrates!
User: outskirts
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I'm crazy about raspberries too, but finding decent ones around here is impossible. Which is a crying damn shame. This is Florida FCS!
But my favorite of all foods is cherries. I really like the frozen ones from Wally. And I like to eat them that way.
User: outskirts
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I have a huge stock pot full of (cut-up) 2 cabbages, 17 small potatoes, and @ 2 1/2 bunches of celery, boilng away with just some salt. I made a big pot of this a couple weeks ago, and it was fantastic. I drained it after it cooled. Had that for several days. Lots of what's cooking is going in the freezer. Besides what's cooking I still have a couple bunches of celery, half a cabbage and 18 small potatoes left over. I got a sack of apples and I'm going to make celery and apple soup, a recipe I saw while looking at ways to cook the stuff. Never even heard of that but it sounds good. I am loving cooked celery as well as cabbage for the first time! I invented the cabbage/celery/potatoes together in one pot, because I came into a lot of it and didn't want to waste any. I didn't see a recipe for that, not that I looked. It could be a thing for all I know. I expect BC to look on google and say I didn't invent it.
User: outskirts
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Ridiculously easy to make and it doesn't take long either. I filled up two colanders and it's cooling now.
Scraps go to the deer and other fauna. Usually this time of year there are acres of clover which deer eat, and this year I see no clover because of drought.
User: TNmountainman
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This study is observational, not a cause-and-effect proof, but large enough to carry some statistical validity, methinks:
In this large prospective cohort, exposure to several widely used preservative food additives was associated with increased incidence of hypertension and/or major CVD outcomes, including CVA and CHD. No inverse association was observed, suggesting a possible involvement of these compounds in cardiovascular aetiology (Structured Graphical Abstract).
Multiple associations between exposure to preservative food additives widely used in industrial foods and higher incidence of hypertension or CVD were observed in this large prospective cohort. Experimental research is needed to gain insight into underlying mechanisms. If confirmed, these new data call for the re-evaluation of regulations governing the use of these additives to improve consumer protection.
User: outskirts
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I mix up my own tartar sauce when I have fish. The store-bought kind is vomit-inducing. Made some yesterday. You can do this easily with relish + mayo, but I also don't buy relish. I grated up a whole kosher dill pickle then add mayo.
If your sauce is too thick, add some vinegar or lemon juice, or pickle juice. I didn't need that because the pickle was so juicy, it came out perfect.
User: outskirts
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Add ketchup to that ⬆️ and you have 1000 island dressing
User: outskirts
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Lol. I've also made my own ketchup. It was fun, and good but I don't know if it's worth all the trouble. It is if you grow your tomatoes though. You can make tomato sauce too.
User: outskirts
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Have you given up chips, as I have? (Crisps in the UK) Well occasionally I make my own. I just did! But they disappeared pretty quickly. I sliced up 3 of those small potatoes with a mandoline.
User: BuzzClik
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@TN: Yikes! 112,395 participants? 7-year follow up? Those datasets are rare and take years to assess. Can you imagine being a reviewer for that paper?
The results seem a bit diffuse and discouraging. Both antioxidant and non-antioxidant preservatives were associated with hypertension.
User: TNmountainman
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No, I absolutely cannot imagine. I think your word "diffuse" is about perfect. My research experience has given me a strong belief that ascorbic acid is absolutely safe - even in very large amounts. In fact, megadoses have been used successfully in a wide variety of medical applications, altho some of that is what must truly be considered anecdotal, or at least partially so. And SO many of the hundreds of studies done with tocopherols have looked at the "wrong" isomer. (Too detailed to elaborate here.) Were I younger and had more time to dig into the datasets, I would do so. The *degree* of "diffusion" is almost(?) enough to make one wonder what to believe. All that said...................one implied takeaway, that "fresh is best" (most of the time) isn't surprising - and is kinda what has been preached since "TV dinners" (etc.) had begun to be looked at askance since the '60s.
User: BuzzClik
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“Fresh is best.” No doubt, but some degree of preservation is needed unless you go through a loaf of bread daily or you make your own ketchup and every other item we buy at a supermarket.
Agree 100% with your ascorbic acid observation. I mean, there is a minimum daily requirement and it’s in every multivitamin I have ever seen.
I am not discounting the value of that paper, but the results as written could give certain people a brain worm.
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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Re: large doses of ascorbic acid...I supplemented with ~one gram/day for years, and it quite likely helped me retain decent health BUT, may also have contributed greatly to the cataracts I needed removed a few years back...small enough price to pay, quite easy walk-in walk-out operation, but...how do feel on that, TN? Familiar with the alleged (possible) consequence of mega-supplementation of C?
User: TNmountainman
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As I think most of us know..............refrigeration in homes was perhaps one of the biggest factors - if not *the* biggest factor - in ramping up life expectancies in the U.S. - and elsewhere, too, but more slowly for the obvious reasons. In fact, it's probably more responsible for anything in that direction in the medical realm other than antibiotics. It's an interesting factoid that's not well appreciated. And it works in a two-fold manner:
Stomach (Gastric) Cancer Key Statistics | American Cancer Society
Stomach cancer trends over time
For much of the early 20th century, stomach cancer was the leading cause of cancer death in the United States, but today it is well down on this list. Two main factors are thought to be responsible for this:
- More use of refrigeration for food storage, which has led to people eating fewer salted and smoked foods (known risk factors for stomach cancer).
- Fewer people infected with the Helicobacter pylori (H pylori) bacteria, which is thought to be a major cause of stomach cancer.
While stomach cancer has become less common in the US, it's still common in some other parts of the world, particularly in East Asia. It remains one of the leading causes of cancer-related deaths in the world.
User: TNmountainman
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@ BrewCrew -- I seriously doubt ascorbic acid would have anything to do with cataracts. How would you even think to wonder that, or make that association? Yes, I'm very familiar with mega-supplementation with C. There are *possible* negative side effects of large doses of C, but those are mostly discounted by serious analysis. And when I use the term "mega-", I'm not talking about a gram/day. 10g/day would be considered a mega-dose. (And I'm *not* recommending that, btw.) (Between 1 and 10 is hard to call, but many would consider anything over 2g/day as "mega-".) And is the kind of approach that should only be considered for dire situations (most medical folks would say, at least). 1 g/day is (essentially) nothing (to worry about).
This forum is too limited to delve deeply into this..........but many serious researchers would classify C as 'more' than "just a vitamin". One thing most don't know is that it helps protect, or regenerate, stores of other antioxidants in vivo. Very complicated chemistry....
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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I recall reading that years ago...I'm not implying anything I don't know of...
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
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"Potential Risks: Surprisingly, some research, including studies on female populations, suggests that high-dose Vitamin C supplementation for over a decade may actually be associated with a higher risk of cataract extraction. - Google AI overview
Unless I'm misreading it, IDK.